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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2011, 06:35:47 PM »

I hasten to add - which is also why pro-ams where the pro is particularly accomplished generally win - the judges just see a higher level of dancing regardless of the step complexity.  Not only that the story goes (I have never verified it) that Marcus and Karen HIlton won a world championship just doing syllabus.  And yes, everyone else was dancing complexity to the nth degree.

And its why when you really want to improve your dancing you have to go back to bronze to retune.  Its very much in mind because that is exactly what DP and I are doing now... Cool
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2011, 03:09:50 PM »

Yeah, well. In theory it shouldn't matter, but in practice? Suppose we have two couples who're more or less evenly matched technique-wise, but one couple chooses to dance a bit more challenging choreography, and the other chooses not to take risks and dance simpler patterns. Which one should place higher in this scenario?
i'd say... the one with better showmanship. even at the same technique level with more challenging choreo, better showmanship/salesmanship will win out, IME.

i've been in situations with others at the same syllabus level where my technique was better but i was comparatively much weaker in showmanship. in those cases, i generally placed more poorly.
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2011, 03:27:16 PM »

Yeah, well. In theory it shouldn't matter, but in practice? Suppose we have two couples who're more or less evenly matched technique-wise, but one couple chooses to dance a bit more challenging choreography, and the other chooses not to take risks and dance simpler patterns. Which one should place higher in this scenario?
i'd say... the one with better showmanship. even at the same technique level with more challenging choreo, better showmanship/salesmanship will win out, IME.

i've been in situations with others at the same syllabus level where my technique was better but i was comparatively much weaker in showmanship. in those cases, i generally placed more poorly.

Good point Sam - I think we need a topic on this.
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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2011, 12:18:42 AM »

yes. Dancing is still a display, technique is very important at the lower levels but as you advance through the ranks I see technique is not the primary focus as I believe they have the opinion that you should know the technique. Normally when you get to the higher ranks you have been dancing awhile and you should be very proficient at it, this has gone astray in Australia (another story). So showing that you can express the dance will be the clincher. IMO
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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2013, 10:36:16 AM »

Hmm.  Sounds like we're talking about the psychology of competition, which may or may not have anything to do with dance.
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2015, 05:33:40 AM »

Hmm.  Sounds like we're talking about the psychology of competition, which may or may not have anything to do with dance.
Its an integral part of competitive ballroom dancing, whether you like it or not. 
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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2015, 09:38:31 PM »

It has gone astray here in Canada too QPO.
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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2015, 09:44:10 PM »

I was told this too ee.  I heard it was a Bronze routine, though I am sure it was not danced in a Bronze manner LOL.  I didn't remember who the couple was.
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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2015, 07:35:30 AM »

everything comes full circle and it may come back, but we have to make the change as well teaching beginners, and not compromising and end up like the ones that are turning a blind eye or being over creative to the detriment of dance.
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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2015, 10:32:46 PM »

It also depends upon how educated your judges are.  The more educated they are the less flash necessary. The less educated the more flash and sizzle wil catch their eye thinking you are doing spectacular dancing, even if you're not.  The best thing to do IMO is dance what suits you best, to the best of your ability and let the judges form their own opinion.
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« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2015, 03:16:52 AM »

It also depends upon how educated your judges are.  The more educated they are the less flash necessary. The less educated the more flash and sizzle wil catch their eye thinking you are doing spectacular dancing, even if you're not.  The best thing to do IMO is dance what suits you best, to the best of your ability and let the judges form their own opinion.

yes we are simplifying our routines, we are a tall couple and the less mistakes the better Cheesy
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2015, 10:08:58 PM »

When I had a panel split between the British/Europeans and US judges it would be split along those lines... High marks from the British/European Judges and low marks from US Judges.  This was especially the case in the Foxtrot.  We were told by US judges that we were off time and the others complemented us for not rushing around the floor.  At that point I knew I was doing it right  Wink
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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2015, 07:21:53 PM »

That's really interesting, I once won a competition dancing complete basics in an open-amateur comp and boy were we surprised when we were announced first ahead of the other 10 or so couples who were seasoned open competitors poised to wiper the floor with us! The favorite to win was devastated as they had been undefeated in my state. Turns out, there were 7 European and 6 American judges. One guess as to which side marked us all first and marked them last.
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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2015, 07:36:16 PM »

well I think when you can do basics and do them well there is less stress and it shows in your dancing. in the other style we do which is New Vogue we have also gone back to basics and kept more connection rather than open holds less chance of not matching but it looks cleaner and I believe there is a movement happening for others to do the same.
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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2015, 08:03:59 PM »

That's really interesting, I once won a competition dancing complete basics in an open-amateur comp and boy were we surprised when we were announced first ahead of the other 10 or so couples who were seasoned open competitors poised to wiper the floor with us! The favorite to win was devastated as they had been undefeated in my state. Turns out, there were 7 European and 6 American judges. One guess as to which side marked us all first and marked them last.

Yep ... Good dancing is good dancing and that's what the Americans forget to / or are just not all educated enough to pay attention to... Hmmm...
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