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ZPomeroy
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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2009, 04:32:02 AM »

I believe i gave my opinion, no comment on that?

Zac
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2009, 04:40:55 AM »

Sorry, Z, my apologies, I misread your post. You  did accept the challenge. I will PM a detail response.

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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2009, 05:25:19 AM »

I do believe albanaich meets or exceeds the definition of an internet troll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Do not feed the trolls.
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2009, 05:30:05 AM »

I agree...  no more to be said  Lips sealed
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albanaich
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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2009, 05:46:05 AM »

Isn't a troll someone who doesn't agree with the community consensus? Something like a anti-nazi in the 3rd Reich? Or a communist in the 1950's USA?

It would seem to me we have useful debate about musicality in dance  It is it not fascinating that no one has yet identified the 'odd one out' The reality is I think that we have some very scared people whose perception of what is and what is not dance is being challenged at its very core.





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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2009, 05:47:42 AM »


It would seem to me we have useful debate about musicality in dance  It is it not fascinating that no one has yet identified the 'odd one out' The reality is I think that we have some very scared people whose perception of what is and what is not dance is being challenged at its very core.

Or at least we would have a very interesting debate if there weren't so many pointed and insulting statements. Mass generalisations and insults do no help to anyone and are what classifies a troll.





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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2009, 06:06:24 AM »

Afer reading the PM from albanaich, i know have  better understanding of where he is coming from. First lets start with what this: Musical is"of the nature of or resembling music" so therefore musicality is the quality or condition of being musical, or in other words the quality or condition of resembling music. This definition of musicality is at the heart of the arguments brought forward by albanaich. You may be asking 'how in the hell does this refer to ballroom" well from what i can assertain it seems that his ideas refer to how well the dances imitates the music being used, this ofcourse means we are talking about floorshows/showdances and not dancesport in general as this would be quite an impossible task. I would like to bring in some examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBHNW3oH5nA

The above is a demonstration of former IDU World Ballroom Dance Champions Warren & Kristi Boyce, and as you can see throughout their performance, the sequences of steps and flourishes seems to match up throughout with the music that hs been chosen, this is the interpretation of the music into dance, or the musicality according to the definition above. Here another example can be seen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLFnYJDrGyQ&feature=related

In the intro of this quickstep you can see how the flourishes with arms and body movement directly relates to the emphasis of the musical qualities. And another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3LbqBk7GAw&feature=PlayList&p=D8ACA5AB6FCC421D&index=0

From 1:35 you can see points where the emphasis of the music is used as past of the choreography.

I hope everyone can see that this type of a discussion most definately hs a place on PDO, though we must make sure not to hurt anyone with wild generalisations and accusations and keep this place as friendly as possible. Albanaich i know you are only new here but it is imperrative that you listen to others arguments and restrict what you say about ballroom and latin as this is, afterall, a community for that. We love to have convesations about these styles, but please be mindful.

I will also post this in the 'Ballroom is not dancing" thread to clarrify what i believe it is that albanaich was trying to convey

Zac

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albanaich
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2009, 06:36:44 AM »

Why shouldn't it apply to dancesport?Huh

Here's an example from West Coast Swing. . . . . . .Two strangers improvising informally to a random piece of music, they hit every naunce of the music, albiet they are top class dancers, but this sort of thing is definitely achievable in dancesport - its just that there is no expectation that it should be achieveable. Swing dancers are tested on their ability to improvise to the music with a random parther. It's what makes them Swing dancers, Argentine Tango is the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk_17vLycV8

And is is another improvisiation in Argentine Tango

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj12nUQKrBE

For Swing and AT dancers this ability to improvise, or even to choreograph the dance and have the movements are linked to the music is what defines dance - moving to the beat, as in dancesport, is simply a form of gymnastics. . . . .

And you can carry it a stage further, this couple is doing ballet that is choreographed to match the music - and the lyrics, awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDtypBWJeUA





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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2009, 06:55:40 AM »

Afer reading the PM from albanaich, i know have  better understanding of where he is coming from. First lets start with what this: Musical is"of the nature of or resembling music" so therefore musicality is the quality or condition of being musical, or in other words the quality or condition of resembling music. This definition of musicality is at the heart of the arguments brought forward by albanaich. You may be asking 'how in the hell does this refer to ballroom" well from what i can assertain it seems that his ideas refer to how well the dances imitates the music being used, this ofcourse means we are talking about floorshows/showdances and not dancesport in general as this would be quite an impossible task. I would like to bring in some examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBHNW3oH5nA

The above is a demonstration of former IDU World Ballroom Dance Champions Warren & Kristi Boyce, and as you can see throughout their performance, the sequences of steps and flourishes seems to match up throughout with the music that hs been chosen, this is the interpretation of the music into dance, or the musicality according to the definition above. Here another example can be seen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLFnYJDrGyQ&feature=related

In the intro of this quickstep you can see how the flourishes with arms and body movement directly relates to the emphasis of the musical qualities. And another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3LbqBk7GAw&feature=PlayList&p=D8ACA5AB6FCC421D&index=0

From 1:35 you can see points where the emphasis of the music is used as past of the choreography.

I hope everyone can see that this type of a discussion most definately hs a place on PDO, though we must make sure not to hurt anyone with wild generalisations and accusations and keep this place as friendly as possible. Albanaich i know you are only new here but it is imperrative that you listen to others arguments and restrict what you say about ballroom and latin as this is, afterall, a community for that. We love to have convesations about these styles, but please be mindful.

I will also post this in the 'Ballroom is not dancing" thread to clarrify what i believe it is that albanaich was trying to convey

Zac



Brilliant post.  Thanks Z.
[nice to know I can go to a dance comp and sanity reigns here Smiley ]
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