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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2009, 01:29:14 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2009, 01:31:53 AM »

personally i dont think its typically a look, but rather a floor pressance, which in my opinion cannot be taught.

I agree with this to a certain extent, floor presence is a sort've natural charisma. Though, I do think part of the presence is confidence which can be developed. The shy beginner won't attract as much attention as the cocky, experienced competitor. Though, an exception may be made if the beginner is particularly hopeless... Cue: Reminiscent memories of my first lesson.  Roll Eyes

I think you put it well - its like the old quote that genius is 5% inspiration and 95 perspiration.  What they don't mention is that it can also be 1% inspiration and %300 perspiration.  same thing for ballroom.  If you have natural presence, you have the edge - but ballroom competition is a performance and even if you do not have that natural spark you sure can learn to projec it.
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I see what you did there.


« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2009, 05:47:55 PM »

An artifical presence can be learned, adopted, or fostered through mimicry and other techniques not short of "just plain hard work", but it will always *be* work to an extent in a way that 'natural' isn't.

Natural dancers, right or wrong, attract the eye and keep it. Everyone else is just in the way.

Except for porno, natural usually wins out. That's why you have winners and almost-winners. That's why there's such a racket for horse-training, ballroom coaching, beauty pageant, etc.- people SEE The Naturals and ask "Okay, how much money will it cost to get ME or MY to look like THAT in X time?" Some do very well- others spend their lives chasing it.

In a way, I can appreciate non-naturals more for the effort it takes in doing what they do, but there's no captivating sparkle about it that just grabs you.

It all fits in and it all belongs though, because that's just part of the balance of things. Natural dancers wouldn't be so awesome if there weren't work-hards struggling to be like them, and vice versa. Kinda spiral.
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2009, 06:57:15 PM »

I think I know what you mean Ginger, but I hope you're not trying to say that just because you don't have it "naturally", you're at some sort of disadvantage.  In fact, in my experience, the only "natural" dancers that remain competitive are the ones that work just as hard as the "unnatural" dancers.   

I understand that there's an advantage to being "natural" at anything, but being natural, if at all, should only be an incentive to work just as hard as everyone else in order to maintain a competitive advantage because the people that aren't "natural" will make darn sure they work their posteriors off to beat out anyone ahead of them, natural or otherwise.     
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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2009, 08:32:48 PM »

I'd take it a bit further, SG: the problem with the 'natural' look is that the person may be deluded into feeling that they can be complacent.  If I think of my peers at college, the most successful ones were those that just didn't get the top grades - they still had something to proove... and had to resort to working for it.
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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2009, 10:30:24 PM »

My teacher reminds me that you are never done competing until you get back to your room AND the door is shut.

However, when we go on the floor, I am always thinking about "being in the bubble" with him---and staying there!
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2009, 10:46:32 PM »

of course mentally you go on competing a lot longer, whether you want to or not Cheesy
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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2009, 11:04:16 PM »

Elisedance:  several posts past you mentioned something about "engaging your core" to boost confidence. What does that mean?
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2009, 11:13:31 PM »

SG- Yes and no- but let me clarify. Dancers are humans. If we do something to ourselves 'artificially', we have the choice whether or not to. My reasoning on 'artificial as a disadvantage' is from horse-showing years, where artificial didn't mean working harder, it meant soring hooves, nicking tails, cutting tongues and mouths, all to make a horse snappier, livelier, and more competitive, with no consideration to their feelings. THAT kind of fake IS a disadvantage.

Personally, I prefer "as natural as possible", whether dancing OR horsing, but I can apply this to myself, too. I'm not a 'naturally gifted dancer'. I'm more proud that I worked hard enough to get wherever it is that I am than had I been born with The Gift, but it'd have been nice to have had It to start with!
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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2009, 11:35:56 PM »

Elisedance:  several posts past you mentioned something about "engaging your core" to boost confidence. What does that mean?

did I Roll Eyes 
Can't say I have any idea! 

Perhaps it was to extend and show off your height - thats a very confidence building action.  But I don't remember....
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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2009, 12:16:44 PM »

My pro has explained to me that (when I Do compete) that I am ALWAYS to be presentable as soon as I leave my room. I am to  present myself at all times as if I am prepared to walk onto the comp floor, to represent the "class" of ballroom at all times, to be gracious, kind, etc. at all times.

So to me honestly .... I like to think of proper english etiquette of old. If I walk out of my room with a good frame of mind, gracious, courteous, etc (no aires about myself) ... this will carry over into the confidence one exudes on AND off the dance floor. If I do this in all aspects of my life, work, personal, dance, etc THEN it will naturally carry over into competition.

So yep it takes work, it takes a good sense of knowing who you are and not selling out not compromising the essence of you, but instead enhancing what it is YOU bring to your dancing. =) Once you accomplish this personally it becomes an automatic part of you.

Does this make any sense?
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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2009, 12:38:00 PM »

Sure does - but why not aim to be like that all the time?  Then it will not even be an act - and I suspect many other aspects of your life will also improve Wink
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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2009, 03:07:30 PM »

Isn't that what I said?
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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2009, 03:18:21 PM »

ooops - yes it was... how very impolite of me Embarrassed
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« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2009, 04:53:10 PM »

lol Cheesy
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