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« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2013, 04:50:03 AM »

Sounds like he gave you the old feedback sandwich. A constructive comment, preceded and followed by a compliment.  Works every time.Smiley
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« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2013, 08:07:01 AM »

Yep.

What can I say, though?  It's a communication technique that works. Smiley
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« Reply #62 on: May 20, 2013, 09:48:13 PM »

I see so many people go around the floor like automatons.  There could be four completely different waltzes but they dance them all the same.  You may just as well have Spartacus banging the drums for the beat, it would be all the same.  One waltz was a beautiful opera type of waltz with the woman singing so emotionally, the story being that she is trying to tell her father she may as well be dead rather than not have her lover.  Instead of dancing the feeling of the song, like the dancers are the words of the song in motion, they all danced it flat and boring. 
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« Reply #63 on: May 20, 2013, 10:46:45 PM »


Is is emotion that's missing, or is it musicality?  Or are the two related?  Cool
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« Reply #64 on: May 21, 2013, 03:29:27 AM »

I see so many people go around the floor like automatons.  There could be four completely different waltzes but they dance them all the same.  You may just as well have Spartacus banging the drums for the beat, it would be all the same.  One waltz was a beautiful opera type of waltz with the woman singing so emotionally, the story being that she is trying to tell her father she may as well be dead rather than not have her lover.  Instead of dancing the feeling of the song, like the dancers are the words of the song in motion, they all danced it flat and boring. 
but how often do you see a judge mark musicality over technique? 
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« Reply #65 on: May 21, 2013, 06:08:29 AM »


NOW my pro is like "you have to show emotion. you look constipated, what emotions do these dances make you feel" etc .... I am like WT?HuhHuh Huh Huh Huh grrrrrrrr

ah that's the Tom Cruise school of acting....

i think there must be a third category...Replicant maybe, feeling (physical) as opposed to feeling (emotional) the music.
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« Reply #66 on: May 21, 2013, 07:42:13 AM »

I see so many people go around the floor like automatons.  There could be four completely different waltzes but they dance them all the same.  You may just as well have Spartacus banging the drums for the beat, it would be all the same.  One waltz was a beautiful opera type of waltz with the woman singing so emotionally, the story being that she is trying to tell her father she may as well be dead rather than not have her lover.  Instead of dancing the feeling of the song, like the dancers are the words of the song in motion, they all danced it flat and boring. 
but how often do you see a judge mark musicality over technique? 

 I don't want to be curmudgeonly or anything,but why does it matter?  Of course competitive dancers want to be judged   well.  But I see two things, here. One.  There's an assumption that technical excellence has to be sacrificed,in order to achieve musicality and/or emotional expressiveness.  Is it not possible to have both?

And the second thing I see is having marks validate dancing.I think there's something wrong with that picture, especially when you consider that marks are always going to be relative, unless you're dancing uncontested.  So,theoretically,you could have technical prowess and emote all day long, and still lose. If you're  to maintain your balance, I think there has to be a standard other than what judges will reward.

Of course,I am not a competitive dancer,so this may all be hogwash.  I'm okay with that.*shrug*
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« Reply #67 on: May 21, 2013, 07:44:00 AM »


NOW my pro is like "you have to show emotion. you look constipated, what emotions do these dances make you feel" etc .... I am like WT?HuhHuh Huh Huh Huh grrrrrrrr

ah that's the Tom Cruise school of acting....

i think there must be a third category...Replicant maybe, feeling (physical) as opposed to feeling (emotional) the music.
I feel it in my body
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well I do feel it in my body and in my bones Cheesy
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« Reply #68 on: May 21, 2013, 09:26:24 AM »

you have to decide why you dance and what is important, if you dance to win then you have to know what the judges want, if you dont care then you can do what you like. We love to entertain and when we loose that I dont think we would compete anymore.
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« Reply #69 on: May 21, 2013, 09:45:51 AM »

you have to decide why you dance and what is important, if you dance to win then you have to know what the judges want, if you dont care then you can do what you like. We love to entertain and when we loose that I dont think we would compete anymore.

Very smart. Smiley

I HOPE one wouldn't have to sacrifice musicality/emotion to compete successfully but, if it came down to having to sacrifice musicality to please the judges, I'm not sure it would be worthwhile.

Which I suppose is a digression on my part.   Oops.  BOT, sorta.  I think both logic and emotion have a place, and that the best dancers have both.  Maybe not in equal proportions and probably not in even proportions throughout ones dance career.  But I think both need to be there.
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« Reply #70 on: May 22, 2013, 06:26:56 PM »

you are right that you should have both - but thats not the conundrum.  How do you judge if one couple is technically accurate but musically boring and another is the opposite? 

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« Reply #71 on: May 22, 2013, 06:57:28 PM »

Fair enough.  Cool

Clearly,those judges haven't been watching enough Dancing With the Stars. *grin*
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« Reply #72 on: May 22, 2013, 08:50:47 PM »

Fair enough.  Cool

Clearly,those judges haven't been watching enough Dancing With the Stars. *grin*

having watched a few seasons of DWTS in Australia some comments seem right out of left wing to what you see on TV I am sure they change things for the audience at hand and they don't get too technical.
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« Reply #73 on: May 22, 2013, 10:07:19 PM »

True.

I was sarcastically commenting on the fact that (it seems to me) there have been times when not only did DWTS judges not weigh technical skill ahead of emotion, heck. There've been times when I could have sworn that the am's life story weighed more heavily than the dancing.

Of course, that's just one woman's jaundiced opinion.
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« Reply #74 on: May 23, 2013, 02:49:00 AM »

True.

I was sarcastically commenting on the fact that (it seems to me) there have been times when not only did DWTS judges not weigh technical skill ahead of emotion, heck. There've been times when I could have sworn that the am's life story weighed more heavily than the dancing.

Of course, that's just one woman's jaundiced opinion.

well here the way it is worded it is not the best dancer that wins it is the most popular....
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