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« on: July 10, 2013, 08:54:07 PM »

I used to attend the same studio as a really nice couple who'd been dancing probably a decade longer than I, but who were levels and levels below me.  They'd take private dance lessons every so often and would participate in group lessons with enthusiasm.

They never advanced beyond a certain level, but they seemed to be as happy as clams.  This brought much, much frustration to our mutual teacher. he used to say, "I keep telling them they could be so much better if they'd just do [blah]."   But they never did [blah] and they seemed to be happy.

OTOH, they spent lots and lots and lots of money on dance in the decades they danced, arguably to little effect.  they also did not represent the studio well, since they made little, if any progress.

Hmm.  I just couldn't understand them at the time.

Now I wonder.  Should they have been encouraged to push through to the next higher level?  Should they have been encouraged to stop studying dance?  Should tghey have been left alone to do their thing their way?

I still don't know.  What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2013, 09:36:43 PM »

Why not leave them alone?  Who's to decide what the 'next level' is for them or whether they need to go there?
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2013, 03:59:53 AM »

That's one way of looking at it.

Another is that they wasted an awful lot of money, taking twenty years of dance lessons, only to accomplish little in the way of dance progress.  Was their teacher doing right by them, to continue taking their money?
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2013, 07:59:55 AM »

I think students should always be encouraged but not always pushed. There might be people who are happy to be at the level they are and not have any grand goals because they are not aware that there is anything bigger outside, or they might not believe that they can do more than they currently do. In these cases encouragement can be beneficial.
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2013, 09:24:37 AM »

I like that distinction. Smiley

I also think they took a lot of lessons, to be moderately good (or b y another way of looking at it, moderately bad) social dancers, so many years later.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2013, 02:19:01 PM »

That's one way of looking at it.

Another is that they wasted an awful lot of money, taking twenty years of dance lessons, only to accomplish little in the way of dance progress.  Was their teacher doing right by them, to continue taking their money?
ah, now you hit on a very different question.  But I still think why not - its a classical case of caveat emptor.  Unless, of course, the teacher is lying to them.

They may take the lesson as a social event or even a physical exercise one.  Its surely up to the couple what they do with their money.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2013, 08:26:08 PM »

Sure.  They're adults and can spend their money and their time any way they want. And you're right.  The teacher's role is tangential.  Just figured I'd mention it, though.  Wink

I really like Spiral's point, though.  Encouraged? I'm going to vote yes.  Anything stronger is a no. Cool
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2013, 02:13:39 AM »

People have different goals in their dancing and some people who started at the same time as us have not changed or improved their dancing, they have no ambition to do so and if they are happy with that good for them. If people ask me how come you are doing well compared to us I advise them that we train a lot to remember what we have to do, they look surprised but they should not really nothing comes easy.

But our goals are not for everyone and neither should they be.
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2013, 08:01:18 AM »

Exactly.  Everybody has different goals.  It's kind of hard for me, as a hyper goal-oriented person, to understand how this couple could progress to a point and be happy just staying there, but to each his own, I suppose.

If I were their teacher, I'm not sure I would have felt comfortable taking their money, year after year, though.
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2013, 04:46:12 PM »

Exactly.  Everybody has different goals.  It's kind of hard for me, as a hyper goal-oriented person, to understand how this couple could progress to a point and be happy just staying there, but to each his own, I suppose.

If I were their teacher, I'm not sure I would have felt comfortable taking their money, year after year, though.
you probably would because you would figure that the lesson is much more than improving dancing.  Its also supervised practise and the couple may simply be paying for the hour of fun with the lesson as an excuse.  They might be a lot less happy if you said no, so why not just continue?

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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2013, 08:08:16 PM »

Nope.  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2013, 07:54:53 AM »

I agree - you can't change someone's goals, they have to do it themselves.
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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2013, 07:41:57 PM »

Indeed it is like that for many things, but if people are happy with their journey then who are we to judge.
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