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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2013, 08:21:37 AM »

And here there's a huge cultural component to overcome.  Men don't dance.
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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2013, 08:25:12 AM »

Men don't dance.

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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2013, 08:57:20 AM »

Thanks.  Now I can't get that Genesis song out of my head (I can't Dance!)  Wink

It's true though.  It's not like it was during my parents' generation, when it was pretty much assumed that everybody had to dance a little. It was a necassary social skill, like knowing which fork to use.  Now, it's by no means a given, so a lot of men have opted out.  I blame the 60s.
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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2013, 11:08:30 PM »

Thanks.  Now I can't get that Genesis song out of my head (I can't Dance!)  Wink

It's true though.  It's not like it was during my parents' generation, when it was pretty much assumed that everybody had to dance a little. It was a necessary social skill, like knowing which fork to use.  Now, it's by no means a given, so a lot of men have opted out.  I blame the 60s.

well I think in the end there were another options opened to find a mate. back in the day going to a dance is where you found your partner to be Cheesy
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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2013, 05:20:56 AM »

My parents met at a dance. Cool

I was thinking more along the lines of actual dances, themselves, though.  During the 40s,when my parents met, people did swing or foxtrot, waltz, etc.  The 60s is when a lot of people started doing freestyle,I think.  If it's socially acceptable to dance whatever you want,why bother to discipline yourself to learn actual dances?   Just bop along and flail about enough to get by.
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« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2013, 10:50:34 PM »

My parents met at a dance. Cool

I was thinking more along the lines of actual dances, themselves, though.  During the 40s,when my parents met, people did swing or foxtrot, waltz, etc.  The 60s is when a lot of people started doing freestyle,I think.  If it's socially acceptable to dance whatever you want,why bother to discipline yourself to learn actual dances?   Just bop along and flail about enough to get by.
I was alive in the 60s Wink  And dancing was never more popular.  What killed it I think is dancing without a partner - it became sort of pointless, you might as well go to a gym or do zhumba (and of course thats what people have done)
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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2013, 03:08:21 AM »

Sure. Of course people danced, but, as you say, the idea of learning formalized steps with lead follow became a otless popular. If you can get away with flailing around and/or clutch and sway, why bother learning to dance?
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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2013, 06:04:56 AM »

Youngsters still like to dance given the opportunity, but parents dont take them unless they get exposed to it at school, or if parents themselves enjoyed their dancing, we need to re-educate the love and benefits of dance.
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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2013, 07:18:25 PM »

...you can take the horses to the studio, but you can't make 'em dance unless they want to... Undecided
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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2013, 08:15:07 PM »

And here there's a huge cultural component to overcome.  Men don't dance.

Men don't dance, but men should dance.
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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2013, 08:16:13 PM »

Women should dance! Or must dance!

How else am I suppose to fall in love with them?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2013, 08:18:20 PM »

Thanks for the videos. Wow.No comparison at all between social and competitive!      Really a beautiful dance when done competitively.

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And there's your answer re: lead and follow in New Vogue.

The difference is that sometimes social dancers don't lead and follow, they just both know the steps and do it together at the same time.

The good new vogue dancers lead and dance together. Even without hold, their lead comes from their body and more importantly through their musical expression and their emotion.  Wink
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« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2013, 10:23:44 PM »


The difference is that sometimes social dancers don't lead and follow, they just both know the steps and do it together at the same time.
and competition dancers don't do the same thing??? I would say that here at least 80% do exactly that
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« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2013, 10:26:54 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whkgegMhxOo

Our final of the New Vogue at the last competition we are couple 58(Aqua Dress). I see things that I deplore and dont realize I did, so it is nice to see a video and work on them. Sad thing is that there is only a few weeks to the next major event and I am not sure if I will have ironed out the bad things :-/
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« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2013, 10:40:12 PM »

Lovely Q!  Durned if I can see any flaws - NV is just such fun to watch, I feel like I'm seeing an old 30s movie where everyone is synchronized...
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