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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2013, 10:20:43 PM »

They have released some changes but they are as clear as mud. not sure how it will work but. It states on consultation, but I don't know whom as we were never asked!

NEWS!
NEW LEVELS STRUCTURE:
Recreational Competitor (R), plus Levels C, B, & A In consultation with members representing all stakeholders and to prepare for future growth,
DSA will introduce a change of the competitor level structure effective from 1st January 2014.
Full details will be supplied on registration however there are choices to be made by some competitors and these should be recorded when registering.

R Grade (B, S & G) = Level 1 plus students in Pro or Coach/Student, Medalist & Individual) Level 1 competitors may elect to self elevate to

C Grade (competition attire required)
C Grade = Level 2
B Grade = Level 3
A Grade = Levels 4 & 5 (Level 4 competitors may choose to register in B grade or A grade)
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2013, 05:20:17 AM »

Seems like everything changed but all remains the same Tongue

Does that mean you can not have championship pro/AM like we have here?
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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2013, 06:40:36 AM »

Seems like everything changed but all remains the same Tongue

Does that mean you can not have championship pro/AM like we have here?


yes they still have PRO/Am and growing, many major competitions have a PRO/Am section on a separate day
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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2013, 05:09:29 AM »

The same is starting to become more prevalent here.  Soon the amateur will be taking the background position to the Pro/Am since Pro/
Am is considered as the cash cow section and worth a lot more money.
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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2013, 09:17:14 PM »

The same is starting to become more prevalent here.  Soon the amateur will be taking the background position to the Pro/Am since Pro/
Am is considered as the cash cow section and worth a lot more money.
Its not like that here - the pros are really more interested in AM comps because that's where they get their status from - generating potential future champions and pros.  the pro-ams are more tolerated than liked in most circles because they are a source of income but from what I have seen only some pros really like to dance pro-am, its more of a job thing.  Don't get me wrong though, there are a lot of pros who really enjoy it and like to be seen as pro-am experts and achievers.  One day perhaps the stigma will break down and we will have real pro-am partnerships - not 'teacher-student' comps.  Its going to take a far-sighted comp leader to pull that off though...
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2013, 02:15:21 AM »

There needs to be a Pro/Am organization.  There are changes coming up that will shake up the system but it is still in the works.
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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2013, 04:02:30 AM »

There needs to be a Pro/Am organization.  There are changes coming up that will shake up the system but it is still in the works.
I've always been for one - but I think it will be a disaster that in effect puts up the cost of what is already a sport for queens.  Right now the organizers of OSB stepped into a vacuum and became the tacit pro-am organization.  It has many flaws but it respects individual rights and circumstances and is an 'opt-in' system.  An organization that claimed to represent pro-ams could become a nightmare...
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« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2013, 10:33:02 PM »

There needs to be a Pro/Am organization.  There are changes coming up that will shake up the system but it is still in the works.
I've always been for one - but I think it will be a disaster that in effect puts up the cost of what is already a sport for queens.  Right now the organizers of OSB stepped into a vacuum and became the tacit pro-am organization.  It has many flaws but it respects individual rights and circumstances and is an 'opt-in' system.  An organization that claimed to represent pro-ams could become a nightmare...


it is seem in lots of different ways and for those that cant find a partner it is a blessing and a god send. but it does depend on your PRO. I have a friend that does do PRO/AM and she pays for her coach but he is prepared to share many of the expensive an this is not always  the case so pick your partner carefully! I think you need to interview them before entering into any agreement and find out what there motives are.
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« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2013, 09:14:21 AM »

that's not what I mean.  If there is an organization, it will need to be paid.  that means membership fees - and once they are started they will get out of hand because the next thing is collusion between the pros and the organization.  Its exactly what has happened with the competitions here.  Many of them refuse to tell the pro-ams what the entry fees are - that's to allow the pro to tack on extra charges to the entry fee, in addition to charging per dance, travel etc etc.  Basically a large milking machine.

OTOH if the pro-ams started their own organization it could represent them to protect again unfair business practises - but curiously most pro-ams are currently against this idea.
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2014, 09:48:50 PM »

Now that the peace treaty between the Pro organization and the Am has cracked the Am organizations are starting to do what they should have always done, look after the interest of the Ams.  If the changes that have been proposed come forth the Pro/Am Pros that overcharge will soon have to think twice about charging the high rates they are if they want to survive.  I will certainly not have much sympathy for them. 
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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2014, 04:56:33 AM »

They succeed, like most crooks, by maintaining ignorance - as long as their prey do not know how much anyone else is paying they can scalp.  So the key is to provide a lot of information.  Trouble is, its the classic: you can't make the horse drink!  People develop an often irrational trust in their teachers or service people, be it hairdressers doctors or dance pros.
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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2014, 11:37:18 PM »

well if people dont pay then they wot make a living. I know it is hard and it wont happen as there are always people that will pay regardless of the cost. There is a push that amateurs should be allowed to teach and professionals are just trying to protect their patch. not sure if I think that is correct but a top amateur would be better than some professionals who have not had a dance lesson for years.
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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2014, 05:42:53 AM »

If amateurs are allowed to teach (and be paid), what then is the difference between Ams and Pros?
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2014, 06:38:43 AM »

If amateurs are allowed to teach (and be paid), what then is the difference between Ams and Pros?

nothing a bit like tennis. in the end their is no difference. bike riders are in the same position. is there sport dying, like dancing, they need to look outside the box.
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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2014, 07:10:59 AM »

Maybe if we renamed them - adult pro and senior pro Wink Wink   That's really how its panning out...
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