Waltz, when does the fall stop?

[elisedance]

Lowering occurs primarily on the third count (or three-and) in waltz.  My question is: does it continue at all on the first step.  The reason I raise this is tht its something my pro noticed, that I do a little lowering whereas he wants to only rise.

I looked at this by myself and it seemed to me that to get an effective swing action you have to have a bit of lowering in the first step.  That feels natural whereas trying to rise immediately after lowring on 3-and feels forced.  But am I wrong?

[pruthe]

For basic Waltz step, technique book says:

Commence to rise end of 1; continue to rise on 2 and 3; lower end of 3.

Since rise commences at end of 1, you have half a beat or so after 1 where you're not rising.

Does this help?

[elisedance]

For basic Waltz step, technique book says:

Commence to rise end of 1; continue to rise on 2 and 3; lower end of 3.

Since rise commences at end of 1, you have half a beat or so after 1 where you're not rising.

Does this help?

It helps for basic But basic does not incorporate swing, and thats my real issue.  If you are going to make a big action on 2 I think you have to have a bit more lowering to get the swing working.

[pruthe]

Did you see vid Samina posted in another Waltz topic? Caterina A discusses lowering technique and maybe you can see something there that helps.

http://youtu.be/jun-WtpyixM

I still think should follow what's in technique book. Maybe others have additional suggestions.

C u. :-)

pruthe

[samina]

Did you see vid Samina posted in another Waltz topic? Caterina A discusses lowering technique and maybe you can see something there that helps.

http://youtu.be/jun-WtpyixM

I still think should follow what's in technique book. Maybe others have additional suggestions.

C u. :-)

pruthe

thanks for pointing to that...it's a great lecture! it's still working in my mind and driving my practice drills...

[elisedance]

thanks PR... will look.  hi sam

[Some guy]

Lowering occurs primarily on the third count (or three-and) in waltz.  My question is: does it continue at all on the first step.  The reason I raise this is tht its something my pro noticed, that I do a little lowering whereas he wants to only rise.

I looked at this by myself and it seemed to me that to get an effective swing action you have to have a bit of lowering in the first step.  That feels natural whereas trying to rise immediately after lowring on 3-and feels forced.  But am I wrong?

Are we talking lowering or division?  In any case, have you tried swinging your hips like a pendulum to see what the natural action is?  Actually, you can just swing your hand like a pendulum and count 1,2,3 and see when your arm is lowering and rising.  Maybe your pro is feeling lowering because you're actively lowering as opposed to just swinging?  When the body is naturally swung the energy will always feel like a rise even 'though there will be the visual illusion of lowering first.  If he's used to a Body School dancer he's probably used to the fact that the lady never takes the couple down.  She only takes the couple up.  

[elisedance]

Lowering occurs primarily on the third count (or three-and) in waltz.  My question is: does it continue at all on the first step.  The reason I raise this is tht its something my pro noticed, that I do a little lowering whereas he wants to only rise.

I looked at this by myself and it seemed to me that to get an effective swing action you have to have a bit of lowering in the first step.  That feels natural whereas trying to rise immediately after lowring on 3-and feels forced.  But am I wrong?

Are we talking lowering or division?  In any case, have you tried swinging your hips like a pendulum to see what the natural action it?  Actually, you can just swing your hand like a pendulum and count 1,2,3 and see when your arm is lowering and rising.  Maybe your pro is feeling lowering because you're actively lowering as opposed to just swinging?  When the body is naturally swung the energy will always feel like a rise even 'though there will be the visual illusion of lowering first.  If he's used to a Body School dancer he's probably used to the fact that the lady never takes the couple down.  She only takes the couple up. 

New pro - this one is not body school   I think he is more bookish and it may be a problem. 

I'll give that 'lady takes the couple up' idea a thought.  Perhaps I am starting my swing a bit late and reaching nadir just after three...  Must say I'm a bit confused again!  I think he is feeling the continuation of motion after the lowering on 3 as a further lowering ... gotta get back on the floor to figure it out...

[pruthe]

New pro - this one is not body school   I think he is more bookish and it may be a problem. 

I'll give that 'lady takes the couple up' idea a thought.  Perhaps I am starting my swing a bit late and reaching nadir just after three...  Must say I'm a bit confused again!  I think he is feeling the continuation of motion after the lowering on 3 as a further lowering ... gotta get back on the floor to figure it out...

If new teacher is not of your current style, you'd probably need to understand better what his style is. Might take a while to determine and may be significantly different from what you're currently doing. I think you'd probably have to conform to his style of dancing. Maybe after time you'd like his style of dancing or maybe not.

My 2c. :-)

pruthe

[elisedance]

hehe - I didn't really explain.  My new pro is the same as my original competition pro.  I'mback with Chris S.  We were both each others first pro-am partners - he went pro to put himself through college.  We won a schollarship event at the Classique and well, then I tried something else

[samina]

thanks PR... will look.  hi sam

hi elise!

[elisedance]

thanks PR... will look.  hi sam

hi elise!

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