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SwingWaltz
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« on: December 11, 2011, 12:26:21 AM »

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/strictly-its-not-on/story-fn7x8me2-1226219108913
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2011, 08:08:38 AM »

That article was out within hours after they danced. Very fast thinking by someone.

I think the organizers did more harm to themselves by chucking them out. They made their protest look more dramatic and therefore bringing more attention to it.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2011, 01:29:48 PM »

What on earth has the ballroom world come to?!
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2011, 04:24:43 PM »

What on earth has the ballroom world come to?!

Has it really changed?  Seems there has always been competing interests from the intenational to the local level.  In England I'm not sure but don't think you are allowed to compete unless you are a member of sanctioned club.  Here the local organization dictates that we are not allowed to compete in WDC events - and yet some of members judge them and they the organization turns a blind eye on the participation of some dancers.  The reason these conflicts keep coming up in dancing is, I think, because most people don't have a financial interest in it, only an amusement one and hence, would rather not be bothered - they just want to dance (and I would have to admit that I fall also in that catagory). 
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2011, 08:49:08 PM »

That article was out within hours after they danced. Very fast thinking by someone.

I think the organizers did more harm to themselves by chucking them out. They made their protest look more dramatic and therefore bringing more attention to it.

Yes I notice that too!

I've attended the competition for 3 years now and not once I noticed the Hearld Sun at the venue.

It made me think whether the whole news media thing were staged cause they know what's going to happen.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2011, 01:10:36 AM »

What on earth has the ballroom world come to?!

Has it really changed?  Seems there has always been competing interests from the intenational to the local level.  In England I'm not sure but don't think you are allowed to compete unless you are a member of sanctioned club.  Here the local organization dictates that we are not allowed to compete in WDC events - and yet some of members judge them and they the organization turns a blind eye on the participation of some dancers.  The reason these conflicts keep coming up in dancing is, I think, because most people don't have a financial interest in it, only an amusement one and hence, would rather not be bothered - they just want to dance (and I would have to admit that I fall also in that catagory). 

In Australia and the world I believe, it has changed recently. Previously dancers were able to choose which events they danced no matter who the organization behind the event was.
Recently - past 6 months or so, the WDSF (formerly IDSF) made a decision to ban all of it's members who competed in WDC events.

This happened to a number of Australian couples.
The sad thing is that the ADS (Australian Dancing Society) decided to follow WDSF's lead and ban the 'banned' couples from taking part in their own national championships. There were some discussions about having a 'Closed' Australian Championship however that also apparently falls under WDSF rule and so the banned couples couldn't dance at all.

This is where the 'Freedom to Dance' movement come into being. A number of people support the belief that dancers should have the freedom and right to dance:
http://www.freedomtodance.org.uk/home.htm
And the ADS took the fight further and threw Matt and Anna (as per article) out of the stadium for showing their support to their fellow competitors and showing their belief in freedom to dance.

It was really sad at the Aussies not being able to see Australia's top dancers compete. We got to talk to one of the banned couples who came down for the event and they are devastated about what is going on. They've worked so hard to get to where they are but they aren't able to dance their own national championships. And it not only affects them as competitors but also affects their livelihood as well - they make money from dancing and teaching.

That's my take on the situation, all are welcome to correct me if I'm wrong somewhere. [I'm not sure any of the above makes sense at the moment, I'm recovering from a hangover from the Aussies afterparty  Roll Eyes ]

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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2011, 01:13:07 AM »

What on earth has the ballroom world come to?!

Has it really changed?  Seems there has always been competing interests from the intenational to the local level.  In England I'm not sure but don't think you are allowed to compete unless you are a member of sanctioned club.  Here the local organization dictates that we are not allowed to compete in WDC events - and yet some of members judge them and they the organization turns a blind eye on the participation of some dancers.  The reason these conflicts keep coming up in dancing is, I think, because most people don't have a financial interest in it, only an amusement one and hence, would rather not be bothered - they just want to dance (and I would have to admit that I fall also in that catagory). 

In Australia and the world I believe, it has changed recently. Previously dancers were able to choose which events they danced no matter who the organization behind the event was.
Recently - past 6 months or so, the WDSF (formerly IDSF) made a decision to ban all of it's members who competed in WDC events.

This happened to a number of Australian couples.
The sad thing is that the ADS (Australian Dancing Society) decided to follow WDSF's lead and ban the 'banned' couples from taking part in their own national championships. There were some discussions about having a 'Closed' Australian Championship however that also apparently falls under WDSF rule and so the banned couples couldn't dance at all.

This is where the 'Freedom to Dance' movement come into being. A number of people support the belief that dancers should have the freedom and right to dance:
http://www.freedomtodance.org.uk/home.htm
And the ADS took the fight further and threw Matt and Anna (as per article) out of the stadium for showing their support to their fellow competitors and showing their belief in freedom to dance.

It was really sad at the Aussies not being able to see Australia's top dancers compete. We got to talk to one of the banned couples who came down for the event and they are devastated about what is going on. They've worked so hard to get to where they are but they aren't able to dance their own national championships. And it not only affects them as competitors but also affects their livelihood as well - they make money from dancing and teaching.

That's my take on the situation, all are welcome to correct me if I'm wrong somewhere. [I'm not sure any of the above makes sense at the moment, I'm recovering from a hangover from the Aussies afterparty  Roll Eyes ]


I was going to add that there have always been politics in dancesport - between coaches, judges etc but i think that this has really taken it too far.
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2011, 06:15:46 AM »

That article was out within hours after they danced. Very fast thinking by someone.

I think the organizers did more harm to themselves by chucking them out. They made their protest look more dramatic and therefore bringing more attention to it.

Yes I notice that too!

I've attended the competition for 3 years now and not once I noticed the Hearld Sun at the venue.

It made me think whether the whole news media thing were staged cause they know what's going to happen.  Roll Eyes

You might be right - I mean they had that perfect picture just before the banning ...
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2011, 03:33:15 PM »

What on earth has the ballroom world come to?!

Has it really changed?  Seems there has always been competing interests from the intenational to the local level.  In England I'm not sure but don't think you are allowed to compete unless you are a member of sanctioned club.  Here the local organization dictates that we are not allowed to compete in WDC events - and yet some of members judge them and they the organization turns a blind eye on the participation of some dancers.  The reason these conflicts keep coming up in dancing is, I think, because most people don't have a financial interest in it, only an amusement one and hence, would rather not be bothered - they just want to dance (and I would have to admit that I fall also in that catagory). 

In England you can compete, no need to be a member of a club.  The only time you can't do the open circuit is if you compete in some (not all) medallist competitions or supadance league.  I believe the club system is popular in Europe - I have scandinavian friends and they have to be a member of a club to compete..
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2011, 05:13:36 PM »

thanks PS - I knew it was true somewhere Grin
[but apologies to our English bretheren...]
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2011, 08:11:17 PM »

I heard that there were some problems in Australia and that the WDC / IDSF thing was starting to heat up.
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2011, 08:20:26 PM »

What on earth has the ballroom world come to?!

It has come to greed, trying to make money at all costs, politics and the my d**k is bigger than your d**k syndrome.  The only losers are the dancers, especailly the amateurs.
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2011, 08:21:47 PM »

Mark my words, things are only going to get worse and not just in Australia.  In the U.S. things have gotten bad too and it is knocking on the door in Canada and England, don't even think about going there.
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2011, 08:45:59 PM »

What we need now is some strong leadership - but we've been playing this game for years so I'm not very hopeful.  Perhaps the organizations shouldhave rallied round the freedom to dance movement when the time was ripe....  maybe its not too late...
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2011, 09:58:09 PM »

I would like to hear the agends of both the WDC and WDSF to see what both have to offer and why we should be with them.
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