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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2011, 05:13:21 AM »

A bit more publicity

http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/news/local/news/general/dancers-ejected-for-silent-protest/2390772.aspx

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-12/dancers-thrown-out-for-silent-protest/3727340

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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2011, 06:14:22 AM »


Surely all the publicity is hurting the organisers, but it is also hurting the dancesport community as a whole.

I'm not sure what is being achieved here, by both parties.  Undecided
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2011, 06:43:04 AM »

yes... it is a double edge sword. more people are hearing about the sport but it is the wrong message we want to hear. the Organiser here comes across as a bully (they may not be at all) but it is about perception. we only have one or two WDSF events in the year it is a shame that the Aussies is considered the biggest for the year...

I just wish all the parties would come to the table and deal with it. but I believe the the WDSF did not attend the last arrange meeting with an independent mediator...it is about power...as someone said i think it will get worse before it gets better. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2011, 09:38:41 AM »


Surely all the publicity is hurting the organisers, but it is also hurting the dancesport community as a whole.

I'm not sure what is being achieved here, by both parties.  Undecided

I think we have to go through a down-period to get this cleaned up.  Think of it as a purge....
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2011, 10:45:43 PM »

yes... it is a double edge sword. more people are hearing about the sport but it is the wrong message we want to hear. the Organiser here comes across as a bully (they may not be at all) but it is about perception. we only have one or two WDSF events in the year it is a shame that the Aussies is considered the biggest for the year...

I just wish all the parties would come to the table and deal with it. but I believe the the WDSF did not attend the last arrange meeting with an independent mediator...it is about power...as someone said i think it will get worse before it gets better. Roll Eyes

Unfortunately, it is just heating up.
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2011, 08:56:12 PM »

yes... it is a double edge sword. more people are hearing about the sport but it is the wrong message we want to hear. the Organiser here comes across as a bully (they may not be at all) but it is about perception. we only have one or two WDSF events in the year it is a shame that the Aussies is considered the biggest for the year...

I just wish all the parties would come to the table and deal with it. but I believe the the WDSF did not attend the last arrange meeting with an independent mediator...it is about power...as someone said i think it will get worse before it gets better. Roll Eyes

Unfortunately, it is just heating up.

well it has gone from the media now we see where it goes to from here?
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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2011, 08:21:39 PM »

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/row-over-yellow-sash-hits-dance-world/story-fn7x8me2-1226224717328

WDSF are just burying themselves deeper...gosh I hope this get sorted soon!


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« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2011, 05:37:24 PM »

So it comes down to: does an international body have the right to control the choice of venue of its members? 

I think not as it violates freedom of association.  I guess they do have a right to accept dancers into their own events.  But can they make and enforce a rule that prevents those dancers from freedom of association elsehwere?

A corollary would be that a union makes a rule that its members can not be in, say, the conservative party and if they are they will be ejected. Or that the members of a 'blink' church will be ejected if they ever step into a 'blank' church.   One could take it to extremes; I mean whats to stop a dance association from stating it will eject any member that ever says anyting negative about it or positive about the competition? 

Of course the only action that will actually change this (since its an international body its hard to think of a court to go to) is for the members to say enough is enough and leave.  For that to happen there has to be a viable alternative: an association brave enough to state that its members are welcome AND that its members can dance in any other competition as well.  I think that would force all the other bodies to change their strategy.

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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2011, 01:20:36 AM »

Everyone one in Australia has to be registered with Dancesport to compete...not sure how that would go if you did not register you would not be able to enter any events as they ask for your cards.

Unless everyone made a stance it would be futile at this stage for one couple to do so....Something that has to be addressed

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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2011, 06:25:03 AM »

Everyone one in Australia has to be registered with Dancesport to compete...not sure how that would go if you did not register you would not be able to enter any events as they ask for your cards.

Unless everyone made a stance it would be futile at this stage for one couple to do so....Something that has to be addressed



You need a new organization to make a change.  There is nothing to stop someone setting up a competition without registering it with the so called offical body.  They don't have the law on their side.  Besides, seems to me that you already have at least 6 top couples that would enter - thats enough for the star event.

Of course you would be banned but I bet someone is thinking of it.  New broom sweeps clean...
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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2011, 01:51:32 PM »

I think a new organization needs to be formed.  As long as the comps and competitiors say they are going to side with the new organization then it would take the power away from the WDSF and WDC and they would eventually have to change or fold.  The WDC is set up as a business so they cannot afford to take a loss.  

Right now there is a yellow ribbon movement called "Freedom to Chose or Freedom to Dance" that is circulating.  You put the ribbon up on your site to show support for freedom to chose where you want to compete.  I have to say as a competitior I want to see change as the power struggles is doing more damage to dancing then anything in that it creates ill-will and difficulties for competitiors, who I do believe don't give a rats a** who is in charge, since they just want to compete, and also to comp organizers.  I fail to see who benefits from this power struggle outside of the two fellows running the one organization and the few that run the other.  We are all being held hostage to egos and profits.    

If anyone is interested in doing the yellow ribbon thing let me know and I will try and find the link to it again, or you could probbly look it up on Facebook.
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« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2011, 05:29:10 AM »

Rugby, the whole news and ejection of Matt and Anna out of the venue is because they worn a yellow ribbon.

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« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2011, 02:08:44 AM »

Sad that the organizations feel threatened by this.
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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2011, 05:24:38 AM »

Sad that the organizations feel threatened by this.
well, I think it goes to show whats of primary importance to them - and its not dance...
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« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2011, 07:00:40 AM »

From what I understand, the "perfect picture" was taken after they had been evicted from the stadium, not before.   Many spectators wore yellow wrist bands or little yellow ribbons and were asked by security to remove them.  This is when the Herald-Sun was informed that there may be a story.  And then, of course there was a story.

People should really read the posts and recommendations from Freedom to Dance.  It is very enlightening, informative and they are considering some kind of action to allow dancers the freedom to choose where and when they dance without fear or favour internationally.  Don't think this is an isolated incident.  Other Aust couples were banned, other couples have been banned in other countries.  This sort of dictatorship is spreading and it is all about ego, power and greed.  Not about helping dance in any way.

https://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/groups/295646140589/
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