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« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2014, 10:52:17 AM »

Wouldn't it be great if they had competitions judged by each other's judges?  It would be so interesting to see who won....
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« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2014, 03:21:50 PM »

In a way it has kind of happened since there are judges that are in both organizations so judge for both.  Of course, and thus the reason dancing will not get into the Olympics any time soon, I have heard in some cases that the judges favour the couples, who say were from WDC in a WDSF comps or vice versa, that they themselves were more aligned with.  I am sure QPO has seen or heard of this too.
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« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2014, 05:33:22 PM »

But they could do that without actual bias since the two orgs seem to favour different styles - at least for standard.  Is that also true for latin?
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« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2014, 01:10:57 AM »

Some couples and judges have gone back and forth or compete / judge in both WDSF and WDC so hard to say how much they change styles / judging depending on whose comp they are in /judging.  I find the WDSF more flamboyant but I could be wrong.
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« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2014, 02:50:35 PM »

WDCF it seems the emphasis is more on athletic and less on elegance and the WDC the other way round - at least in standard.
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« Reply #50 on: June 19, 2014, 04:34:10 AM »

Yes, I have noticed this too.
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« Reply #51 on: June 19, 2014, 06:50:47 AM »

You can see how the judges might not see eye to eye Shocked
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« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2014, 07:48:02 PM »

I think in the lower levels there won't be much of a difference.  In the upper Open levels when you are putting in more musicality and styling that there could be more of a styling bias.
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« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2014, 10:19:36 PM »

I think that makes sense.  But its more than styling now, at the extreme its a choice between gymnastics and art.
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« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2014, 11:07:56 PM »

Yep.  For me I think the Latin is getting a little too hard.  It is nice to have slows and quicks but now everything is becoming just quick and sharp.  I was watching the Pros and then the Youth and Adult Amateur and I like the Pros more.  Not because their skill and understanding is better but because they show more contrasts and technique and musicality whereas I find the Youth and Adult Ams are out to be as fast and athletic at the sacrifice of the dance and the girl / guy relationship.  Of course someone else could see something completely different.  I don't mind the Standard but I have noticed that they Pros use the newer faster head shapes and lines as accents rather than everywhere like the Youth / Adult Ams.  I'm working on the new head styling and shaping myself but I don't want to go crazy with it or you end up with not seeing the action as something special or a highlight any more.
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« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2014, 10:40:02 PM »

Above everything I look for grace in Standard dancing.  Sorry, but I don't see much of it in the WDSF athletic style.  I want Torville and Dean to touch my heart..
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« Reply #56 on: July 17, 2014, 11:06:51 PM »

I must admit that I see dancing as 75% art and 25% athletics.  I want to see the grace and beauty of two bodies moving as one to the music.  Not just any music but the music that is playing.  In this I mean that every waltz should be different depending on the waltz being played and such with the other dances.  The bodies are kind of an equalizer that reflects the music, or, as one hip hop studio in my subdivision says, sound in motion.
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« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2014, 07:52:50 AM »

So I see it as 60% art 40% emotion.  Athletics is only a tool that allow you to achieve those two goals and should never really be noticed.  Indeed, if I do notice it I mark the couple down as having to try too hard.

Its like playing in tune.  Music is not nice if out of tune - but if you play perfectly so you sound no different from a simulated MP3.  You have to generate an in-tune note with nuances of expression (meaning going out of tune).  I don't want to think 'wow that person is playing in tune'  I want to think 'wow that person is expressing the music so well'.
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« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2014, 02:11:23 PM »

Yes, musicality is very important.  I agree with what you are saying.
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« Reply #59 on: July 19, 2014, 12:15:26 AM »

In a way it has kind of happened since there are judges that are in both organizations so judge for both.  Of course, and thus the reason dancing will not get into the Olympics any time soon, I have heard in some cases that the judges favour the couples, who say were from WDC in a WDSF comps or vice versa, that they themselves were more aligned with.  I am sure QPO has seen or heard of this too.

Hey ladies. so for waiting for a response. Internet was not good while traveling. but the divide is well entrenched here and judges penalise dancers depending on their preference. We also had that in Europe too. Our results were much better at at ADC comp than WDSF.

I will write more later about my expereince
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