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« on: April 07, 2010, 06:18:36 AM »

This comes up from a discussion on the pro-am board on students suggesting choreography.

Have you ever made up your own step or step variation?

I'm not sure its even possible - but its defnitely unusual if not frowned on in competetive ballroom.  We tried it - and pro immediately took it out since 'the judges won't know what you are trying to say'. 

Is there room for creativilty in ballroom?  In other dance forms???
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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2010, 08:15:39 AM »

I think you can when you know the syllabus.... but just putting something together because you have seen it on a DVD can be dangerous, we had friends that got D'd because they did steps in a level one QS. I spoke with the coach and I was informed that they make up their own steps. but I feel the coach should have said well you can t do that in the level you want to dance.
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2010, 08:31:51 AM »

I'm not sure its even possible - but its defnitely unusual if not frowned on in competetive ballroom.  We tried it - and pro immediately took it out since 'the judges won't know what you are trying to say'. 

Is there room for creativilty in ballroom?  In other dance forms???

It's definitely possible, well at least creating variations on steps or sequences, or even taking steps from other dances and converting it to another rhythm. It would be quite hard to completely create a new step though as there is already so much versatility in the steps available, pretty much any step you made up would be considered a variation on another step.

In competitions the use of invented steps may be frowned upon a little (i'm not even quite sure if it is, well in Australia at least, as we have an invented step in our quickstep) but it is certainty used in a floorshow type scenario, and if its used in a floorshow why then can it not be used in a competition? Much of the professional sequences are variations and inventions by their coaches or even themselves to create a flashy effect or even to just bridge sections of the dance...

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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2010, 02:44:11 AM »

This comes up from a discussion on the pro-am board on students suggesting choreography.

Have you ever made up your own step or step variation?

I'm not sure its even possible - but its defnitely unusual if not frowned on in competetive ballroom.  We tried it - and pro immediately took it out since 'the judges won't know what you are trying to say'. 

Is there room for creativilty in ballroom?  In other dance forms???

Of course there is room for it. Forgive the assumption, but I believe your pro to be wrong. We (judges) are not so stupid that w ewould not recognize, and accept, a variation "that made sense". Of course, common sense need not be mentioned. If it is a "Closed" cat heat, then.......

Of course, we're talking about the infallable Alex Moore, but the whisk was invented when he fell off balance dancing a hover telemark at a competition. He toppled; crossed the feet and lowered; and, 'whisked' off in a different direction. Not on the syllabus at the time, it was a variation of ... something....
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2010, 10:24:36 PM »

I think there is more room for latin than standard.
But, it should done very carefully because sometimes it is criticized by people that things one might try to are too modern or not latin enough,etc......
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2010, 02:21:49 AM »

I am not confident enough to invent steps or sequences, I think that comes with experience and you are right it may be better in Latin that Standard. But I am sure there are plenty of standard dancers that can put some great steps together, especially at open level... It is way more tickey when you are at the lower levels.
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2010, 05:27:15 AM »

It is hazzardous - but I tihnk excellent for your dancing.  We invent step sequences a fair amout - but usually run them past coach before competing with them.
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2010, 10:29:34 AM »

I love "inventing" steps, especially on the run. Those steps to the side, or rocking back and forth to get out of the way of another couple on the dance floor. But complex choreography wise, I don't invent anything.

But then again, what defines a dance step. A step to the left, a step to the right, a step forward or a step back. It's more of a "new" combination of steps rather inventing "new" ones.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2010, 01:54:16 PM »

I love "inventing" steps, especially on the run. Those steps to the side, or rocking back and forth to get out of the way of another couple on the dance floor. But complex choreography wise, I don't invent anything.

But then again, what defines a dance step. A step to the left, a step to the right, a step forward or a step back. It's more of a "new" combination of steps rather inventing "new" ones.  Roll Eyes

Litterally yes, but I think we mean anything partnerdanceish on this topic.

But good point - avoidance steps are an open field for invention Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2010, 02:17:39 AM »

I love "inventing" steps, especially on the run. Those steps to the side, or rocking back and forth to get out of the way of another couple on the dance floor. But complex choreography wise, I don't invent anything.

But then again, what defines a dance step. A step to the left, a step to the right, a step forward or a step back. It's more of a "new" combination of steps rather inventing "new" ones.  Roll Eyes

Litterally yes, but I think we mean anything partnerdanceish on this topic. But good point - avoidance steps are an open field for invention Smiley

Yes. I, also, believe that there are no such thing as inventing a new step... only discovering new possibilities. But, I also understood that the thread referred to altering/changing an "established" step/pattern or syllabi amalgamation.
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