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Bordertangoman
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Re: AT Syllabus
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Reply #30 on:
March 18, 2010, 10:38:12 AM »
Quote from: Subliminal on March 15, 2010, 01:05:12 AM
Ah, I've run out of time to edit the previous syllabus. Here's the new one.
I've reorganized it a little too.
Connection/Balance:
Beg:
Open embrace
Close embrace separate axis
Transition from close to open and back
add: one step aroundyou partners axis; take it in turns.
Int:
Apilado
Breathing to emphasize lead
Adv:
Walk to volcada
Mini-colgada to gain momentum
Musicality:
Beg:
Use walk with emphasis on two basic rhythms, either Strong-Weak or Strong-Weak-Weak for waltz
Syncopated steps on forward walks
Int:
Change rhythm of giro to match musical phrase
Syncopated steps on any movement to the rhythm
Dance the melody or a part of the music other than the rhythm
Adv:
Leader and follower on different rhythms
Walking:
Beg:
Hesitation step
Weight change in place
Sidestep to unled weight change
Forward step to unled weight change
Cross-system (3 track)
Walk on follower's right
Walk on follower's left
Walking in a tight circle
Rock turn
Int:
Rocksteps/hesitation steps in cross system
Sacadas walking forward
Cross-system sacadas walking forward
Lateral grapevine leader mirrors
Lateral grapevine leader sidesteps doubletime
Back step to unled weight change (or leader's cross)
Front or back ocho to leader and follower at 90 degrees, prevent follower collect and walk forward or backward with follower sideways
Adv:
Maintain momentum/flow from interruption steps
Disassociation:
Beg:
Walk to cross outside parallel
Walk to cross outside cross-system
Walk to cross in straight line
Cross from follower's sidestep
Int:
Sacada on overturned front ocho
Rockstep to forward follower's cross
Rockstep to leader and follower mirror parallel cross
Rocksteps outside partner
Adv:
Leader's back sacada
Follower's back sacada
Follower's front sacada
Rotation:
Beg:
Cross-system walk to follower's pivot (ocho)
Back ocho to giro
Sidestep to giro
Front ocho to giro
Giro to back ochos
Giro to sidestep
Giro to front ochos
Giro to cross
Giro from pasada
Int:
Sacada on front ocho
Sacada on sidestep
Sacada on back ocho
Giro with enrosque
Sacada to enrosque
Enrosque to planeo
Planeo to leader's cross
Planeo to parada
Pivot follower in place, leader walks in a circle (Calecita)
Adv:
Back ochos with leader's double step
Fast milonga front ochos
Double pivots, follower front ocho, leader back ocho, or reverse
Backstep into enrosque + giro
Interruption:
Beg:
Parada interrupting follower's sidestep collect
Parada on back ocho
Parada on back ocho back foot
Parada on front ocho
Parada on front ocho back foot
Pasada from parada
Sammich from parada
Pasada from sammich
Int:
Overturned back ocho to backwards pasada
Parada to leader's pasada
Barrida from parada
Gancho on back ocho
Gancho on front ocho
Parada to leg wrap
Fake pasada to sacada
Adv:
Barrida in giro to parada
Boleo from back ocho
Boleo from front ocho:
front boleo to leg wrap
Parada to colgada
Colgada to leg wrap
unnatural if impossible
The more i read this the more it puzzles me
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Subliminal
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Re: AT Syllabus
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Reply #31 on:
March 18, 2010, 11:19:10 PM »
Quote from: David Bailey on March 18, 2010, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: TangoDancer on March 18, 2010, 01:08:43 AM
Quote from: David Bailey on March 17, 2010, 01:41:06 PM
I'm not sure that muscle memory is a good approach, to be honest - except in the form of the fundamental steps (side / back / forward / pivot).
I thought that is the intent.
Muscle memory for techniques for steps, maybe.
Muscle memory for doing patterns, no. If you train your muscles to remember that a giro always starts with a sidestep, for example, you're going to have problems in social dancing.
Well, that's actually the point of this exercise. Every move here should teach you something about the way you move. That is why I put entering the giro from each kind of step. If you are working your way down through the list, first you'd try entering from a back ocho. Then a sidestep. Then a front ocho. Then you try the different exits. Back, side, front, cross. Though I suppose I could short-hand it like you suggested and still get the point across. I might just do that, it makes it a little more readable.
But again I ask, what in the list is redundant? Yes, everything in AT is made of 5 different steps. And given enough time, a beginner could work out every single possibility of those steps. Just like given enough time a 100 monkeys with typewriters will type out the collected works of Shakespeare.
But why should we have to reinvent the wheel each time? As long as it's understood that the dance is improvisational, practicing each of these steps in turn should allow you to better internalize the dance. Without resorting to pure patterns. Basically, I'm trying to find the happy medium between "AT is made of 5 steps. Go figure out the rest." and "No, you always start a giro by going to 5 of the 8CB."
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Subliminal
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Re: AT Syllabus
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Reply #32 on:
March 18, 2010, 11:33:45 PM »
Revision 3!
Connection/Balance:
Beg:
Corrective Posture Arc exercises - Move weight from the heel to over the arch of the foot. Bend forward at the ankles, not the
waist, find the balance point over the arches. Be able to hold balance in this position without partner.
Open embrace
Close embrace separate axis
Transition from close to open and back
Int:
Apilado
Breathing to emphasize lead
Adv:
Walk to volcada
Mini-colgada to gain momentum
Musicality:
Beg:
Use walk with emphasis on two basic rhythms, either Strong-Weak or Strong-Weak-Weak for waltz
Syncopated steps on forward walks
Int:
Change rhythm of giro to match musical phrase
Syncopated steps on any movement to the rhythm
Dance the melody or a part of the music other than the rhythm
Adv:
Leader and follower on different rhythms
Walking:
Beg:
Hesitation step
Weight change in place
Sidestep to unled weight change
Forward step to unled weight change
Cross-system (3 track)
Walk on follower's right
Walk on follower's left
Walking in a tight circle
Rock turn
Int:
Rocksteps/hesitation steps in cross system
Sacadas walking forward
Cross-system sacadas walking forward
Lateral grapevine leader mirrors
Lateral grapevine leader sidesteps doubletime
Back step to unled weight change (or leader's cross)
Front or back ocho to leader and follower at 90 degrees, prevent follower collect and walk forward or backward with follower sideways
Adv:
Maintain momentum/flow from interruption steps
Disassociation:
Beg:
Walk to cross outside parallel
Walk to cross outside cross-system
Walk to cross in straight line
Cross from follower's sidestep
Int:
Sacada on overturned front ocho
Rockstep to forward follower's cross
Rockstep to leader and follower mirror parallel cross
Rocksteps outside partner
Adv:
Leader's back sacada
Follower's back sacada
Follower's front sacada
Rotation:
Beg:
Cross-system walk to follower's pivot (ocho)
Giro - starting from any point, and stopping at any point.
Giros and ochos - mixing and matching pivots and rotation.
Giro exit to cross
Giro from pasada
Walking turn in LOD - sidestep into LOD, lead follower in quarter pivot to step outside leader and step back, back step, quarter
pivot and sidestep into LOD continuing rotation, quarter pivot and continue walking forward in LOD
Int:
Dynamic giro
Sacada on front ocho
Sacada on sidestep
Sacada on back ocho
Giro with enrosque
Sacada to enrosque
Enrosque to planeo
Planeo to leader's cross
Planeo to parada
Pivot follower in place, leader walks in a circle (Calecita)
Adv:
Back ochos with leader's double step
Fast milonga front ochos
Double pivots, follower front ocho, leader back ocho, or reverse
Backstep into enrosque + giro
Interruption:
Beg:
Parada interrupting follower's sidestep collect
Parada on back ocho
Parada on back ocho back foot
Parada on front ocho
Parada on front ocho back foot
Pasada from parada
Sammich from parada
Pasada from sammich
Int:
Overturned back ocho to backwards pasada
Parada to leader's pasada
Barrida from parada
Gancho on back ocho
Gancho on front ocho
Parada to leg wrap
Fake pasada to sacada
Adv:
Barrida in giro to parada
Boleo from back ocho
Boleo from front ocho
Front boleo to leg wrap
Parada to colgada
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Subliminal
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Posts: 36
Re: AT Syllabus
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Reply #33 on:
March 18, 2010, 11:40:05 PM »
Quote from: Bordertangoman on March 16, 2010, 01:07:33 PM
You dont seem to have a walking turn;
or other kinds of turns that are travelling in the LOD.
Its good to have a few of these and see what works in parallel and cross-system.
some get half a turn with a giro to bring the woman back in front of you
others allow a full 360 turn.
other exercises are to get the followere to call out back or forward ocho on the fifth step
so whereever you are whichever foot, you lead her into a b or f-8
ok, I threw in a dynamic turn. I think that's a common phrase for a walking turn, right?
Those are some neat ideas for exercises, I will have to try them. I think between all of the comments, I have a better section for giros.
What kind of turn do you mean specifically for traveling in LOD? Is there something that doesn't fall under the existing headings?
Also, I added the boleo to leg wrap suggestion and took out the colgada one. I honestly don't practice these enough to know them very well, but I figured I would put some in for completeness. I might want do to that show someday.
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Subliminal
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Posts: 36
Re: AT Syllabus
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Reply #34 on:
March 19, 2010, 12:52:32 AM »
Quote from: TangoDancer on March 18, 2010, 12:58:26 AM
Sorry I have been gone so long. CPA....Corrective Posture Arc (the slight forward lean to center). Also, yes, I know the move that you are referring to.
Ah ok! I think I understand now. I think I read one of your posts on that a while back. Yes, just did a search, found it. Good stuff. My teacher did something similar, though we did it as a partner exercise, combining it with connection. (Finding the proper balance point without partner, then finding it in open, palm to palm, or close, chest to chest.)
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Bordertangoman
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Re: AT Syllabus
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Reply #35 on:
March 19, 2010, 05:23:56 AM »
ok, I threw in a dynamic turn. I think that's a common phrase for a walking turn, right?
What kind of turn do you mean specifically for traveling in LOD? Is there something that doesn't fall under the existing headings?
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okay its going to be hard to describe;
sidestep together to leaders right but in the LOD
quarter pivot then do backstep leading follower to step outside your riight
do another backstep and bring follower in line with you
quarter pivot and do sidestep to your left (in LOD)
quarter pivot and you should now be facing back in LOD
walk and bring follower back in front of you
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Subliminal
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Re: AT Syllabus
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Reply #36 on:
March 19, 2010, 11:42:20 PM »
ok, I see what you're talking about. I like it... it is a full fledged pattern, but one that teaches something about navigation and rotation. I think I'll add it in.
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TangoDancer
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Re: AT Syllabus
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Reply #37 on:
March 21, 2010, 02:35:57 AM »
Yes, this is a very common way of teaching to rotate the basics.
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phoenix13
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Re: AT Syllabus
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Reply #38 on:
May 09, 2013, 01:20:18 PM »
Wow. This is an incredibly informative thread. Question: Is this syllabus similar to the order in which many teachers approach tango with their students? I ask because I was actually quite surprised to see the words tango and syllabus in the same phrase. If you were to say that on *ahem* certain forums around *ahem* certain people, you might run the risk of being taken out and shot at dawn. lol.
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Re: AT Syllabus
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May 09, 2013, 10:49:54 PM »
I miss TD, he has a lovely spirit... Used to live in Hawaii I think - I wonder where he is now?
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Re: AT Syllabus
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May 09, 2013, 11:37:21 PM »
well lets hope he can sense he was spoken about and missed and will come back and pop in.
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phoenix13
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Re: AT Syllabus
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Reply #41 on:
May 10, 2013, 02:22:58 AM »
That would be lovely. I'd also love to see Subliminal talk a bit more about what he chose for his syllabus and why.
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