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NZ_Guy
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« on: February 07, 2010, 05:44:35 AM »

Hi, I'm new to these boards..  I'm also new to dancing.

I was wondering whether there are any differences in technique between New Vogue and standard Ballroom.

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 05:57:04 AM »

New Vogue use the same technique as Standard, visualise that all new vouge  is Standard ballroom butterflied if that makes sense.

New Vogue uses modern steps, New Vogue allows couples to break ballroom hold, there are plenty of examples on you tube. Do take a look at them. NV is very popular in NZ and they do it very well

Welcome to the Forum and ask away, we love your input.
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2010, 06:20:10 AM »

New Vogue use the same technique as Standard

I tend to approach rotary chasses like I would with a Viennese Waltz natural turn.  Would I be right in doing that (or would I need more rise and fall for example)?

Welcome to the Forum and ask away, we love your input.

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 06:28:44 AM »

Welcome to the forum!  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2010, 06:29:32 AM »

That is a good question, I will wait to hear from others better qualified in the intricacies of the step.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2010, 10:13:25 AM »

Welcome, NZ Guy!  You'll be able to fill out your profile once you get up to 6 posts.
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 01:45:14 PM »

Hi, I'm new to these boards..  I'm also new to dancing.

I was wondering whether there are any differences in technique between New Vogue and standard Ballroom.

Cheers,

T.

Welcome again - fortunately we have quite an Aussie contingent here - I see you've already met Wink  with the answers to your comparison.

However, I am interested if you have NV in NZ too? 
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2010, 05:18:07 PM »

Yes EE New Vogue is big in New Zealand as well.  Some of the best NV dancers come from NZ. Smiley

NZ guy - rotary chasses move across the floor and so shouldn't rise very much.  Especially the one at the end of the Tangoette.  It is very slow with no rise at all.  and welcome also from me  Grin mm
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 11:25:43 PM »

@cornutt:
Welcome, NZ Guy!  You'll be able to fill out your profile once you get up to 6 posts.

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@elisedance:
Welcome again

Thanks!

However, I am interested if you have NV in NZ too? 

Yes, it is quite popular at social dances and I believe also at a competitive level.


@mummsie:
rotary chasses move across the floor and so shouldn't rise very much.  Especially the one at the end of the Tangoette.  It is very slow with no rise at all.  and welcome also from me  Grin mm

Ah, ok.  Thanks very much!  Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2010, 11:58:50 PM »

Yes EE New Vogue is big in New Zealand as well.  Some of the best NV dancers come from NZ. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2010, 08:06:58 AM »

Where's Zac when we need him?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2010, 09:36:15 PM »

Hi..

There are quite a number of differences between the technique of ballroom and new vogue. The more one understands the technique of each, the more the differences appear.

For example, the footwork and rise and fall in lock steps in all new vogue dances, except for parma waltz,  is in-correct according to ballroom principles.

Being in shadow position with one's partner creates a new dynamic of partnering that is quite different from ballroom as the lady is taking on more of the man's technique, due to the 'shadowing' of the body position.

Further more, there are significant differences between the two new vogue techniques (Boyd VS Hesketh). For example, if you look at the rise and fall of the first five steps of Merrilyn.

Boyd states: Rise e/o 2, up 3, up 4, lower e/o 4.
Hesketh states: Comm rise e/o 1, cont rise on 2 and 3, lower e/o 3

Boyd follows the rise and fall of slow foxtrot, ie: quick rise.
Hesketh follows the rise and fall of waltz, ie: gradual rise.

The correct rise for this type of action is gradual rise as it is nothing more than a RF closed change, which uses gradual rise. The fact that it is danced to foxtrot music and not music does not change body mechanics.

There are numerous cases of this.

All I can suggest is that you find teachers that are highly qualified that way you have more assurance of their understanding of the techinque and it's correct application.
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2010, 06:00:32 AM »

I would love to see a comparison of NV and Smooth (American Ballroom).  Seems like NV is a combination of smooth and english pattern dancing...
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2010, 06:02:40 AM »

I would love to see a comparison of NV and Smooth (American Ballroom).  Seems like NV is a combination of smooth and english pattern dancing...

I think that would be a very good comparison Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2010, 06:08:31 AM »

Ah the Boyd versus Hesketh.....will they make it standardised to one code for the base. I hear there are other changes afoot.
Which for a beginner is quite confusing.

Boyd still have an influence from what I read.

When we are on the floor and being judge how do we know what the judge follows…very confusing and have to hope that our coach is teaching us with the most currents techniuqe
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