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« Reply #180 on: April 17, 2012, 08:41:16 AM »


it sounds great in theory;but I think I would have to stop breathing to acheive this. but perhaps I will try this, but it does seem rather superfluous. Like telling somone to stop thinking about a pink rhinocerous.

I'm thinking it's more about doing things to enhance the connection sensitivity between lead and follow. The area around the core is a major place for the follower to sense what the lead is asking to do. If too tense in that area, likely hard to sense lead. Probably if too relaxed, also hard to sense. There has to be just the right feeling (including mindfulness) in the connection to quickly communicate information from lead to follow. I think it takes a lot of practice between lead and follow to perfect. As a lead, I'm not there yet, but working on.
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« Reply #181 on: April 17, 2012, 09:44:16 AM »


it sounds great in theory;but I think I would have to stop breathing to acheive this. but perhaps I will try this, but it does seem rather superfluous. Like telling somone to stop thinking about a pink rhinocerous.

I'm thinking it's more about doing things to enhance the connection sensitivity between lead and follow. The area around the core is a major place for the follower to sense what the lead is asking to do. If too tense in that area, likely hard to sense lead. Probably if too relaxed, also hard to sense. There has to be just the right feeling (including mindfulness) in the connection to quickly communicate information from lead to follow. I think it takes a lot of practice between lead and follow to perfect. As a lead, I'm not there yet, but working on.

i dont think its that hard; its a case of spreading your attention, and being where it needs to be most; 51% in the music, 48% for your partner. 1% for navigation
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« Reply #182 on: April 17, 2012, 09:58:49 AM »


i dont think its that hard; its a case of spreading your attention, and being where it needs to be most; 51% in the music, 48% for your partner. 1% for navigation

It's been my experience that many things are harder than appears. In this case we're discussing lead/follow connection in ballroom dance. I've been involved for a long time. No disrespect, but I know it takes many years to perfect this connection.
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« Reply #183 on: April 17, 2012, 01:04:57 PM »


i dont think its that hard; its a case of spreading your attention, and being where it needs to be most; 51% in the music, 48% for your partner. 1% for navigation

It's been my experience that many things are harder than appears. In this case we're discussing lead/follow connection in ballroom dance. I've been involved for a long time. No disrespect, but I know it takes many years to perfect this connection.

Well it probably does take years to hit 51:48:1 exactly Tongue
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« Reply #184 on: April 18, 2012, 04:33:04 AM »


i dont think its that hard; its a case of spreading your attention, and being where it needs to be most; 51% in the music, 48% for your partner. 1% for navigation

It's been my experience that many things are harder than appears. In this case we're discussing lead/follow connection in ballroom dance. I've been involved for a long time. No disrespect, but I know it takes many years to perfect this connection.

Well it probably does take years to hit 51:48:1 exactly Tongue


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« Reply #185 on: April 18, 2012, 11:00:43 PM »


I have never consciously tried to relax the sternum, but one of the exercises we did in my lesson last week involved each of us placing a hand on the other's sternum, and dancing from there. No "hold" no "frame" just hand-to-chest, for a good part of the lesson. Loved it.


ooo!  I love that!  Sometimes putting my hand on my sternum is the only way I can get it to relax, especially when I'm nervous or really cold for some reason... probably has something to do with helping direct energy there or something. 

It was a pleasure to watch you. From my vantage point, I could not see any of the desperation, just the following. Another ballroom illusion: what feels to the dancers like OMG WHATAMIDOING SO SORRY I MISSED THAT looks to the observer from the first balcony like, How Nice To See Someone Doing Lead And Follow.  :-)

hahaha Thank you!!  I'm glad that was all you saw Wink  I enjoyed seeing you too!  Very fun to be able to connect in person!
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« Reply #186 on: April 20, 2012, 02:47:05 AM »

a relaxed sternum? that's a new one on me; mine is stuck between my ribs.... Tongue
  It's something we learned to do since we were toddlers holding on to an adult's hand.  That's when we learned leading and following. 

That isn't true; parents have to adopt their pace to the child's and give them the support they need. Children dont follow like adults; their attention can be on everything around them, and not on you at all, so often their moving at the pace of their interest nothing to do with you.
I don't understand how what I said isn't true.  Someone adjusting their movement to a pace that another can follow without any yanking around for each and every step still takes leading and following.   
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« Reply #187 on: April 20, 2012, 02:49:43 AM »

it sounds great in theory;but I think I would have to stop breathing to acheive this. but perhaps I will try this, but it does seem rather superfluous. Like telling somone to stop thinking about a pink rhinocerous.
I'm not talking about imagination, which in my opinion, the pink rhinocerous exercise is.  I'm talking about tangible reality.  So far it has had a 100% success rate in my city to those that have been taught it.   
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