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Dora-Satya Veda
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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2009, 08:09:35 PM »



I will have to see if I can find his DVD never heard of him

Did you watch Tony Redpath solo exercises DVDs? Some exercises you're doing in your class sound similar to the ones on Tony's DVDs. I need to get back into doing them, was busy with work stuff and did not have enough time to do them lately.
......excuse me, but Tony Redpath is a female Wink  She is actually from Australia originally.
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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2009, 11:12:29 PM »



I will have to see if I can find his DVD never heard of him

Did you watch Tony Redpath solo exercises DVDs? Some exercises you're doing in your class sound similar to the ones on Tony's DVDs. I need to get back into doing them, was busy with work stuff and did not have enough time to do them lately.

It's not him, it's her. You can find the DVDs on DanceVision website: http://www.dancevision.com/store/dvds/browse_by_styles/american_style_smooth/styling_technique/
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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2009, 11:46:41 PM »

I like her and her partner's videos.
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2009, 12:24:00 AM »

Sorry folks shows my ignorance.....I will see if I can google information on Her :-)

Anything to improve balance
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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2009, 06:01:23 AM »

......excuse me, but Tony Redpath is a female Wink  She is actually from Australia originally.


LMAO!!!  Grin

Sorry I just had to! LOL That is so strange!
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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2009, 11:11:58 AM »

I am trying to strengthen my core (4 c-sections in less than 5.5 yrs does murder to a woman, sorry to be graphic, but this is what I am up against) AND find my center.

you shoulda asked the surgeon - he should have seen it... Tongue

YOU are ROTTEN. back at ya.  Tongue Wink
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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2009, 11:19:25 AM »

So glad you started this - dancing in my own balance has just transformed the whole thing - I now feel free. 

So true!  The freedom is something that just blew me away, which was quite shocking at the time because I always felt that closed position = restricted movement.  Boy was I wrong! (provided the lady was also on her balance)
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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2009, 04:27:38 PM »

So glad you started this - dancing in my own balance has just transformed the whole thing - I now feel free. 

So true!  The freedom is something that just blew me away, which was quite shocking at the time because I always felt that closed position = restricted movement.  Boy was I wrong! (provided the lady was also on her balance)

I hope you will not be offended if I ask you to dance one day.... Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2009, 05:00:54 PM »

My instructor told me something that kind of surprised me during my private today: "Almost no one at this studio dances on their own balance."  Had to think about that one, but you know what?  She's right.  And I'm no exception.   Roll Eyes  We're all pushing and pulling, alternately leaning on each other and trying to stand our partners back up.  No, it's not as bad as I'm making it sound, but essentially her statement is correct. 

She's teaching an advanced smooth techniques class on Wednesday night.  It consists entirely of various exercises that are done solo.  I had thought she was doing it that way to avoid problems with male-female unbalances (the class is predominately men), but now I understand: She's making us do that so we all have to be on our own balance.  And it's been surprisingly difficult.   Shocked  We're doing a lot of things that seem simple, like "step in, do a 180 pivot left, then step on the other foot and do a 180 right, rinse, repeat".  I don't know about anyone else, but for me it's been somewhat embarassing -- I can hardly do a right turning pivot without my free leg swinging way out, or me falling off the outside of the standing foot, unless I really concentrate on it.  I thought I had better balance than that. 

Okay, question here.  I was taught that my "balance" was forward poise against my partner and that we were in balance together.  If he moved away, I was supposed to fall forward as I was holding myself up, but only with his help.   I do not hang on my partner, but rather act as one side of an inverted "v"  as in /\.  In fact, right before my lessons ended with my former pro, he told me I was finally "dancing myself" more than I had ever done, which I thought meant maintaining forward poise, but not pushing/pulling/hanging on him.  Is this what you mean?
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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2009, 06:05:31 PM »

Okay, question here.  I was taught that my "balance" was forward poise against my partner and that we were in balance together.  If he moved away, I was supposed to fall forward as I was holding myself up, but only with his help.   I do not hang on my partner, but rather act as one side of an inverted "v"  as in /\.  In fact, right before my lessons ended with my former pro, he told me I was finally "dancing myself" more than I had ever done, which I thought meant maintaining forward poise, but not pushing/pulling/hanging on him.  Is this what you mean?

I know this question is not for me, but I do want to comment on this.

Sounds like you and I had lessons from the same teacher or at least from teachers trained in the same School of Thought.

My teachers called it common balance. He would actually teach us to fall safely. He would have us take a hold and then tell us not to move, then he would move away making us experience the fall. We were told (as ladies) to have a posture looking like the shape of a trapezoid (this is a little difficult to explain) in our bodies. We were not allowed to hang, pull or push the man, but the common balance was what created the weight connection and the possibility for the lady to read the man’s initiations.

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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2009, 01:51:47 AM »

I will take this all on board for when I next go dancing...I just need to get lower and I am sure the balance will also improve, I dance too high.
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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2009, 03:23:10 AM »


Sounds like you and I had lessons from the same teacher or at least from teachers trained in the same School of Thought.

My teachers called it common balance. He would actually teach us to fall safely. He would have us take a hold and then tell us not to move, then he would move away making us experience the fall. We were told (as ladies) to have a posture looking like the shape of a trapezoid (this is a little difficult to explain) in our bodies. We were not allowed to hang, pull or push the man, but the common balance was what created the weight connection and the possibility for the lady to read the man’s initiations.

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I was also taught the common balance idea and I think it is most prevalent in tango.  However, now when I move backwards in the swing dances (FT, W) the common balance is lost - I move my partner follows - in a sense he becomes responsible for the common balance aspect.  Can't it be misleading to stress this too much - the danger is that the couple will lock up on each other and their flight will be hampered?
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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2009, 12:33:00 PM »

Here we go again. I will try to make it short. BUT Elise always throw wood on my fire. So if you don’t want to read a long post, don’t even start on this one.

This is how I was taught the common weight should be understood.

Stand across from one another. Put the palms of the two hands together (example LH from the man and RH from the lady (Left Hand=LH and Right Hand=RH)). Then put some weight into the connection. The man should then try to move the hand and the lady should stay with him throughout all the movement done. If at any time the connection was lost that would mean the weight connection was not enough to keep the common balance. Try it again, while increasing the weight connection slightly, see if you can now stay together throughout all the movements. Once you have developed a sense of the weight connection, you will probably have found that the weight connection’s changes depending on what you are doing. If you are turning or moving fast you need to increase the weight connection (in order to keep the common balance) and if you are moving linear you can get away with very little weight connection. So the amount of weight used to always keep the common balance constant, changes with the step and actions done. Now try to do, what you just did with the hand connection, in the body. With practice you will get super sensitive to the change that needs to happen in order to stay constant in the connection and the common balance.

Be very aware of the change from a turning step to a linear step. The turn will (should) cause an increased amount of weight connection in order to keep the constant common balance. As soon as the turn has finished do make sure to decrease the weight in the connection or the increased weight could soon turn into (major) stress.

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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2009, 12:39:23 PM »

thanks again MM - one day we are going to arrange a PDO-sanctioned workshop with you.  OK.
I want to see all this live....
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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2009, 12:42:48 PM »

You are very welcome my dear.....

That might just happen one day....

This is not just me doing this...top couples are doing this. They just do it so well, it can't be seen with the naked eye.
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