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 71 
 on: July 21, 2014, 04:02:42 PM 
Started by Some guy - Last post by Some guy
it still takes a second role to the experience of ballroom dance, one that I can't get anywhere else.  That experience is not just moving across the floor together in physical harmony but doing so in emotional harmony too.  That's the part that seems elusive.  Where are the dancers for whom its dance that's #1 and winning #2?  If you have that you are winners in every comp regardless of your placeent.  

But I end up realizing that I'm being danced with out of duty not desire.  I want the lead that feels a thrill when I follow a step sequence and generate a resulting dance-expression.  I think you understand.  I want a lead that loves to dance with me.

Music to my ears EE. Music to my ears...

 72 
 on: July 21, 2014, 02:35:15 PM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by elisedance
Unless, of course, the room is so crowded you can't move... Smiley

 73 
 on: July 21, 2014, 08:16:54 AM 
Started by Burgess Penguin - Last post by QPO
I don't know if I could spin that much.....Tongue

 74 
 on: July 21, 2014, 08:00:28 AM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by QPO
We went soical dancing on Saturday night and  some tunes being played were early four minutes long. Great for Stamina if you can maintain all aspect of your routine for that duration. makes 1.30 easy peazy Grin

 75 
 on: July 21, 2014, 07:58:27 AM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by QPO
To answer the original question as to when the fall stops, I would say each bar is a fall. Use gravity to take you through each bar.

does not the fall end at the end of three? but there should be a smooth transition to create ebb and flow.

 76 
 on: July 21, 2014, 07:52:22 AM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by QPO
I wonder then if using the space that man creates on his right side more than his side.. I find that if I stay to the right and the man shapes that it feels more fluid, rather than staying in front of the man it becomes more labored.

I have found that our dancing is developing more freedom. It is a bit like acting, there has to be an element of trust and letting go.

 77 
 on: July 21, 2014, 06:23:06 AM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by elisedance
Refreshing after FB isn't it!  And what you say on PDO stays on PDO Tongue Tongue

Wait, maybe I can make a buck by selling your posting frequency to Monsanto?  OK, maybe not....

 78 
 on: July 21, 2014, 06:13:29 AM 
Started by Some guy - Last post by elisedance
What can I say? Yes.  I guess that covers it!

The first time I came to dancesport I had three serious partners, one of which was my spouse.  And you are right being married does not make much difference!  the other two were great experience but ended with abrupt depatures to 'move up', with not much mutual commitment there either.  And I think that highlights the problem: the main motivation for people who do dancesport is winning.  If that's so then dancing is just a means to that end and you have to position yourself so that you are 'best'.  I think I am a very competitive person by nature and winning was important for me - but it still takes a second role to the experience of ballroom dance, one that I can't get anywhere else.  That experience is not just moving across the floor together in physical harmony but doing so in emotional harmony too.  That's the part that seems elusive.  Where are the dancers for whom its dance that's #1 and winning #2?  If you have that you are winners in every comp regardless of your placeent.  Actually, I believe that it affects judges - at least the ones that count - when they see a couple that dances with real and not affected affection.

As far as Pros go I have had two really nice ones that are excellent dancers.  They give but only within the pro-am structure - that's not wrong, its just how it is.  But I end up realizing that I'm being danced with out of duty not desire.  I want the lead that feels a thrill when I follow a step sequence and generate a resulting dance-expression.  I think you understand.  I want a lead that loves to dance with me.

I wish there was  an alternative to dancesport to get top dancing - somewhere where the motivation is just that.  It may sound strange but that's exactly how it is in chamber music.  Four of us get together to play a Mozart quartet - and we play our hearts out with the single motivation of making music, harmonious music, together.  After we have tea and go home sated, each of us thrilled not only to have played but to have experienced the collective output. 

There, I want chamber-ballroom, not dancesport at all.

 79 
 on: July 21, 2014, 12:43:13 AM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by Some guy
Nice to be back, QPO!

 80 
 on: July 21, 2014, 12:42:25 AM 
Started by Some guy - Last post by Some guy
Precisely EE, I think that Pro-Am and Am-Am partnerships are there to offer very different things, none that you and I are looking for.  It's one thing to team up and take on the world if you are really part of a team.  Am-Am partnerships are also very similar, if you listen to the dialogue off the floor.  I think I can count on one finger… or less… how many times I've heard a partner compliment another behind their back.  Usually the attitude is that one person takes on the leadership role and berates and blames the other for all losses.  Those that don't do it in front of their partner do it behind their backs.  So EE, I think you're comparing the Pro-Am experience with a very idealistic Am-Am experience.  I'm looking for that idealistic experience because I believe it is out there, and I won't settle for less.  Unless there's a romantic involvement, maybe it's not even possible to have that kind of partnership.  I can't tell you how many amateurs will look at other amateur couples and wish they were dancing with the other half of that competition.  That's not team work, and that's not partnering up to take someone on.  That's just sad.  Maybe I'm jaded, but I'm surrounded by that, and that's all I've seen.  The only reason I would partner up with someone is if I like spending time with that person, and if I believe that together we can be a formidable team and help each other grow.  That's dancesport to me, not just dancing.  True, it's rare, because not very often do you find couples who play the long game in dancesport (and just because they've been together forever doesn't mean their playing the long-game), but I think the success of those that do speak for themselves, just like the very couples you mentioned.   

In Pro-Am, the elephant in the room is money, agreed.  In Am-Am, the elephant in the room is pretty much everything else, muddles strongly by the lack of a structure as clear as Pro-Am.  In Pro-Am, the good pros do put their reputation on the line, and it becomes a matter of who's the better teacher.  Yes, I've known some pretty horrid pros who distance themselves as far away from their student as possible, and that's maybe the norm, I don't know, but it's disgusting, I agree.  Strangely, I see that SAME mentality in Am-Am partnerships.  Maybe what you need EE is a pro who sees you and takes pride in his work, in his student, in his partner.  I know they're out there, there's one in Houston but he's too short for you (loves dancing with his students and it shows) but they are out there.  In Am-Am, I won't settle for anyone less than someone that sees me as a true partner, one that stands up for me behind my back and never uses the words "I" or "you" when expressing frustration or disappointment, or even elation.  Yes, it's a tall order, taller than most people have for life-partners, but somewhere down the line EE, just like me, you saw or got a taste for that, and we aren't settling for anything less.

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