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 71 
 on: June 28, 2014, 07:32:54 AM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by elisedance
Look it happened again!

!!Happy Birthday Rugby!!


 72 
 on: June 21, 2014, 06:04:28 PM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by Some guy
There's that!

 73 
 on: June 21, 2014, 05:12:53 PM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by elisedance
I think there are advantages and disadvantages to Youtube.  The advantage is that you can find some really good demonstrations of ballroom dancing, provided you know where to look.  No other generation of dancers had this gold mine at their disposal. Bad thing, as in all things visual, is that you don't see things as they are: you only see things as you are. Case in point, the worst teacher can look at a video of Mr. X and say, "watch how much he bends his knees", but if it were at all possible to have a chat with him, chances are he'll disagree with what you think he's doing.

Of course, the student who learned all the wrong things would project it all into what he/she is seeing and completely miss the truth.
Couldn't agree more - and as a primarily kinesthetic dancer looking doesn't do me a lot of good (except to make me feel worse Sad ).

 74 
 on: June 21, 2014, 01:11:51 PM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by elisedance
You can also meet a cute chick (er, or cockrell...) Grin

 75 
 on: June 19, 2014, 02:29:17 PM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by Some guy
There's a huge difference between consciously knowing and unconsciously knowing.  Most champions were unconscious competents before they had to teach, and hence, had to know.  Unfortunately, they impart the knowledge backwards, and their students usually don't come anywhere close to their level of competence.  

Knowing the different "positions and contact points" makes a tremendous difference, ask Mirko and Edita, as QPO noticed they certainly think it is important.  So does Luca, Johnathan and Ieva Pauksana who are the sources where I originally started to learn body mechanics.  

Ah, none of them are Body Schoolers, so that makes sense that their approach is polar-opposite to where my response was coming from.  

When you are learning, especailly teaching someone to go into promenade to show and know that the girl is behind the man's right hip connecting at her inside left hip is not useful information?  That the lady is behind the man's hip being the "contact" and they form a shallow V creating a "promenade position" is not worth mentioning or knowing?  It's okay that they come out hip to hip and both facing square on to LOD, which, due to lack of information happens in most cases?
In locks or any outside partner position you would not want to know or show where the man and woman contact each other or is it okay for them to be hip to hip and being flat because knowing where the connection is, is not useful?

Everything you’re describing is the end result and not the action required to create the end result. I might agree that it’s useful for the teacher to know, but why would the student need to know unless the student is planning to teach very soon?  Learning how to do and learning how to teach are two very separate things.  The teacher would need to know the end result so that the student can be evaluated and corrections can be made to the student’s actions if necessary.  

Same foot lunge or contra checks is it okay for the girl to be overturned away from the guy or the guy to be overturned because knowing where they contact and knowing the position is not worth knowing?

More results, not the actions necessary to create the proper end result.  If the student knows the actions necessary to create the end result, the end result will always be correct, the student need not know any details about the end result.  A good result is something that happens when the actions are done correctly.  All the student needs to know is the execution.  

 76 
 on: June 19, 2014, 06:50:47 AM 
Started by QPO - Last post by elisedance
You can see how the judges might not see eye to eye Shocked

 77 
 on: June 19, 2014, 06:50:08 AM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by elisedance
Perhaps the difference is in how you approach dance?  Some people like a very technical approach that helps them train each part of their body.  Others - obviously like me and SG - like to just let those things train themselves as much as possible (I add the latter because there are stylistic things in all performance types that must be learned - hand shaping visual frame etc.  But for me dancing learning these has always been an extra chore and not a part of how I dance...

 78 
 on: June 19, 2014, 04:47:20 AM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by Rugby
When you are learning, especailly teaching someone to go into promenade to show and know that the girl is behind the man's right hip connecting at her inside left hip is not useful information?  That the lady is behind the man's hip being the "contact" and they form a shallow V creating a "promenade position" is not worth mentioning or knowing?  It's okay that they come out hip to hip and both facing square on to LOD, which, due to lack of information happens in most cases?

In locks or any outside partner position you would not want to know or show where the man and woman contact each other or is it okay for them to be hip to hip and being flat because knowing where the connection is, is not useful?

Same foot lunge or contra checks is it okay for the girl to be overturned away from the guy or the guy to be overturned because knowing where they contact and knowing the position is not worth knowing?

Knowing the different "positions and contact points" makes a tremendous difference, ask Mirko and Edita, as QPO noticed they certainly think it is important.  So does Luca, Johnathan and Ieva Pauksana who are the sources where I originally started to learn body mechanics.  Shirley Ballas menioned how shocked she was at how few teachers really knew the body mechanics and positions in Latin.  She wondered how they could achieve good results without knowing this.  I am sure she would say that this applies to Standard as well.
If I just want drive a car around town I would not care about the details but if I wanted to become a racecar driver you can bet I would want to know how my car worked, not just that it worked.   When I competed in Dressage with the horses I learned to be a rider and a trainer though I had to train ten hours a day for many years.  Most thought it was not that important until the National body called me to be a Protege to help get to the Olympics and not them.  If I just want to social dance around the floor then I may not care about these things either but if you want to compete or teach, especially competitiors then it is vital. just as much of what DSV has told us would be.

 79 
 on: June 19, 2014, 04:34:10 AM 
Started by QPO - Last post by Rugby
Yes, I have noticed this too.

 80 
 on: June 14, 2014, 05:48:34 PM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by Some guy
Tru dat!   Cheesy

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