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 61 
 on: March 06, 2014, 06:03:19 PM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by elisedance
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 62 
 on: March 06, 2014, 06:02:06 PM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by elisedance
I suspect the competition scene gets a bit stale.  Its very expensive so many active competitors do not have the resources to have a normal life and of course its totally disruptive so its hard to have a studio either - until you are at the very top. 

 63 
 on: March 06, 2014, 06:00:28 PM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by elisedance
Yeah I was just checking it and it opened fine.  I don't know who is doing the WDSF site now but it must be a new person since the results are up fast and the Youtube videos for the competition are are put out to FB and Youtube so fast the competitiors have barely left the floor.  Nice to get someone who does a good job.

I hope the WDC peeps take notice - dumb thing to be outclassed on!

 64 
 on: March 06, 2014, 05:59:38 PM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by elisedance
Great story R Smiley  See, you should have just stuck to the simple routines - the judges only see the whole thing if its uncontested anyway otherwise they see an occasional glimpse so its fine to just repeat the same 8 step sequence over and over Cheesy

I'm back with Anton - its not the fun of the amateur competition scene but its certainly the highest quality dancing I'll ever aspire to.  Each lesson is an eye opener as to what is possible and who could ask for a better lead...

 65 
 on: March 06, 2014, 05:42:12 PM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by Rugby
We do allow the finalists at the Canadian Closed teach but this is a farce.  When the competition is held on the east or west coast it is way too expensive for most to go to.  The few couples that get sponsored are fine but the rest face a very expensive trip.  This creates a situation where it is not our best but our more wealthy that go and so the best do not get to qualify to teach but instead the ones that could take the time off work and / or can afford to go now become our finalists even if normally they may be at the bottom.  This was created as a way to try and get along with the Pros who did not want the competition for their bucks.  I say if you are so much better then people will not go to the amateur anyways. 

Our problem is that in Canada we do not have enough good Pros and the few we do group in a few of the bigger cities (and when I say few I mean 5 for the whole country) and will not, nor is it worth their while, leave.  This means in this country Ballroom dancing, especially competition couples, are dying out since we do not have people outside the few big cities that can teach or promote competitiors so we are really only get competitiors from a small pool.  Just so these Pros do not feel threatened by the upper level amateurs we do not allow all but a very few who qualify at the Canadians to teach.  And really, for the few that qualify how many of those are even interested in teaching.  For the second largest country in the world we have a handful of good teachers and no promotion of Ballroom outside of the few bigger cities and we wonder why we are having a problem.  At least by having the certified Open level competitiors teach it will help out to try and train more people, especially if they are outside the big 5.   I have talked to some of the big name teachers in the States and they say that Canada is crazy and losing an opportunity.  They have gotten far more and better students by having their top competitors start students out who then turn them over to the Pros.  The Pros do not waste their time on lower level students and the amateurs charge a cheaper rate so it encourages people to take a chance on Ballroom lessons.   

 66 
 on: March 06, 2014, 05:18:02 PM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by Rugby
The Amateurs that can teach are now almost busier than the Pros due to price and being more available and accomodating.  Many Pros have priced theirselves out of the market.  the mass majority of all instructors do a few group lessons then hang up a shingle (we have a lot of them down this way) or do the 3 month Fred Astaire course then they are set to teach.  Not one teacher have I met in all of Southern Ontario that I have met, and I have met a very large amount, would even be able to compete in Bronze and would barely really be able to do Pre-Bronze.  They have had no formal training, outside of what I have mentioned above.  The best part is that a bunch of them say they are "competition dancers", or had "competed".  When I approach them about it then it comes out that they did a local Fred Astaire competition as a Pro/Am student or went into a fun studio competition.  False advertising not really I suppose but stretching the truth hugely.  I looked into a couple who said they competed in American and International and even went as far as to say they were the American style reps.  When I acted interested man did they lay it on thick.  When I told them I am a Ballroom offical for Ontario and I have never heard of them in either American or International all of a sudden they trained and competed in Quebec.  I asked who they trained with and they ripped off some names from "So You Think You Can Dance Canada".  I told them that I knew them and as a matter of fact I would be seeing them in a week or two and would say hi.  (Hey I can BS with the best of them if I have to)  It was then that they came clean and said that no, they actually didn't train with them or compete in Quebec but they were going to.   Yep, and I hear this a lot.

These are the Pros that are teaching out there whereas we have amateurs that have forgotten more than these people will ever learn and are better than 99.9% of the teachers out there but they cannot teach.  Outside of a handful of cities at best the rest of our country does not have any or only low level instructors so getting our better trained, which you have to be to be able to compete, people out teaching would be a Godsend.  In these areas if you do have a couple that competes then they have to look the other way and not help a struggling Ballroom group or face not being able to compete.  The group loses out and without an instructor then nobody advances and Ballroom does not grow.   

 67 
 on: March 06, 2014, 04:41:08 PM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by Rugby
I can't believe some of these people think they are good enough to even put themselves on Youtube.  There are a few that have a "series" of dance videos and I feel like adding to show you what not to do.  Are they so dillusional about their dance ability that they think they should even share it on Youtube!!!!

One lady I know was watching some Latin videos and told me at a dance that she was watching me how I do the steps was completely wrong.  She watches Youtube and was following the series that a particular couple does but she could not remember their names.  I am fairly familiar with a bunch of the "legend in their own mind" out there on Youtube so I discribed the couple I thought she may be watching. She told yes that is themand I told her first, what you think they are doing and what they are actually doing is very often two different things, and two, if you are going to learn then at least check in to who you are learning from.  This couple are just terrible and should be shot on sight for actually putting their stuff out there, but then again, if you want something for free then often you get what you paid for.  I sent her links to Youtube videos of syllabus steps being shown by some of the Pros that are good reputable teachers.  I saw her a couple of weeks later and she said she watched all the videos and even more and realized the people she had been watching were really not that good and how they did the steps did not match up with any of the other teachers that I sent her.  If it is a styling difference then fine but if you are showing sylllabus steps for people and you don't even step on the correct foot or the right direction, well, what can I say.

On the other hand in most areas there are few even mediocre teachers let alone good ones so at least Youtube is better than nothing. 

 68 
 on: March 06, 2014, 04:20:36 PM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by Rugby
Yeah I was just checking it and it opened fine.  I don't know who is doing the WDSF site now but it must be a new person since the results are up fast and the Youtube videos for the competition are are put out to FB and Youtube so fast the competitiors have barely left the floor.  Nice to get someone who does a good job.

 69 
 on: March 06, 2014, 04:10:19 PM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by Rugby
I wonder if when they get teaching a lot they lose their focus for competing.  I know Paulo teaches a fair bit, many of the Senior dancers from Toronto go to Italy to work with him.

 70 
 on: March 06, 2014, 04:01:54 PM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by Rugby
So good to have you back.  Are you doing Pro / Am or, fingers crossed is there a new partner on your arm, dance one I mean.

I know how you feel about the rest.  I remember when we were in Silver and had one more comp to win out.  Anne Harding asked, since the Latin was going to be cancelled due to only my partner and I showing up (normally there was about 8 of us but for some reason they all bailed at the last minute, if we wanted to try Gold.  We thought WTH but as we were on deck and the last dance of the previous group was going on my DP turned to me and said he never thought about it but we have to dance the Foxtrot.  It never even dawned on us at the time and we had not dance a Foxtrot, even for fun, in about two years.  Well, my DP said he kind of remembered our Bronze Foxtrot and since our Foxtrot was not our best dance we didn't hope for much.  Surprise, surprise, it was the best Foxtrot we ever did and we came fourth out of 10 couples and we beat most of them in the Foxtrot.  I guess staying away from it we forgot about all the problems we dwelled on and the worries and so were able to dance much more freely.  My DP even remembered the routine and as Elise can attest there really must have been a blue moon that evening.  We won the Silver so we won out so Gold it was from that point forward.     

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