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 on: June 19, 2014, 04:34:10 AM 
Started by QPO - Last post by Rugby
Yes, I have noticed this too.

 on: June 14, 2014, 05:48:34 PM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by Some guy
Tru dat!   Cheesy

 on: June 14, 2014, 02:56:24 PM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by elisedance
True: depends on your goal.  Unfortuantely, you can get a worse education and yet do better because you paid to get into the 'elite'.  The English school system was like that - a poor student at a 'public school '(that's private here) would often get the nod over a much stronger one from a state school.  Of course that happens everywhere but there it was built into the system and wasn't even thought of as wrong. 

Dance is at least to a large extent its own filter - you have to be able to dance well to succeed.  Yet, there are mentor lines and school systems here too where a follower of a particular style of dance will do well within one community even if they were really not as good as a competitor from a different lineage.

But all that is really beyond the topic here which is really about the other end, getting started as apart from competing in Blackpool.  With education there are lots of resources to help you spend wisely but with dance its the opposite, there are a lot of charlatans trying to help you spend stupidly and without 20:20 hind vision its very hard to spot them.

 on: June 14, 2014, 02:50:35 PM 
Started by QPO - Last post by elisedance
WDCF it seems the emphasis is more on athletic and less on elegance and the WDC the other way round - at least in standard.

 on: June 14, 2014, 11:15:38 AM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by Some guy
we use social dance as our stamina training. as we know most of the NV  dancers and the songs they play re for three minutes, we maintain shape and styling for that duration, where as on the comp floor  most of the time it is a1.20 and max 2.00.

We always have a cardiac bracket which is VW, tango and quickstep one after the other for three minutes that will do it and we do that twice during the evening. Trying to dance very dance with quality is the best stamina training you can have.
I agree, I think the social dance is a terrific opportunity to practice a lot of things for competition, including endurance.  Like QPO said, each dance is usually played much longer and with all the other couples on the floor, floor craft and endurance can both be checked off. Social dancing, used together with rounds training, can eliminate physical and mental endurance issues.

 on: June 14, 2014, 11:03:55 AM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by Some guy
Wow how interesting -  then again if I had to think of all them I would probably be too scared to take a step!  The only 'contact points' I am aware of all the time are my left and right hand, the rest happen really as they might.  That doesn't mean I am not aligned to the man in many ways but they are of decreasing importance.   Probably my most important non-hand alignment point is my sternum - but I hesitate to call it a contact point as mentally its not about that at all.

I agree, how useful would it be to a practitioner to know this information?  Quick: how many contact points do you have driving a car? You had to think about it didn't you? Did any normal driver, at any point during driving lessons or in all the years or driving since then, need to know that?

 on: June 14, 2014, 10:59:35 AM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by Some guy
I don't buy the concept of a side.  Visually, sure, it looks like you have a "side" that's uninhibited, but that's like saying that if I carry a briefcase in my right hand then the only side I have to call my own is the left, because for whatever reason my right side requires less attention.  If I, for even a second, think that, I'd start to move really laboriously and quite unattractively. Chances are, my briefcase won't feel the love either.  If the man doesn't pay attention to sides and moves his entire body naturally, in my opinion, there couldn't be a stronger and clearer lead.  When I dance with a woman who's entire body, both sides, isn't filled to the brim with chi, it's a terrible feeling: I asked a whole lady to dance, why am I getting cheated with only 50%?

 on: June 14, 2014, 10:45:19 AM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by Some guy
I think there are advantages and disadvantages to Youtube.  The advantage is that you can find some really good demonstrations of ballroom dancing, provided you know where to look.  No other generation of dancers had this gold mine at their disposal. Bad thing, as in all things visual, is that you don't see things as they are: you only see things as you are. Case in point, the worst teacher can look at a video of Mr. X and say, "watch how much he bends his knees", but if it were at all possible to have a chat with him, chances are he'll disagree with what you think he's doing.

Of course, the student who learned all the wrong things would project it all into what he/she is seeing and completely miss the truth.

 on: June 14, 2014, 10:31:21 AM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by Some guy
I think you can learn more off the floor than on.  The floor can be used as a test-drive, occasionally, to see if things have improved, but other than that, I don't believe that being off for even a year would make you lose anything, other than a little stamina, maybe... But you can get that back in a week or two if you needed to. This is only for the folks who believe dancing is walking: to the folks who ascribe to the thought pattern that dancing is bunch of unnatural unrelated-to-gender movements (men and women practicing the same hip movements and posture: shudder!) will obviously have to spend more time doing the unnatural in a dance studio where they won't be mistaken in public for employees of the Ministry of Silly Walks.

 on: June 14, 2014, 10:15:09 AM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by Some guy
I think education is education, and what you want versus what you get depends on the quality of educator you use.  College ballroom is an interesting example.  Everyone is spending money to go to college ("uni" for the Aussies) because of the college's reputation and quality of professors. Otherwise they'd pay other students to learn, buy books written by other students (much cheaper, I would presume, if there was a market for it), and wish and hope that they got lucky with the students they chose as educators.  Quite the gamble.

I know some of the best coaches in the world with the actual results to back it up that cost one third the price of the so called, "top coaches".  So cost is not necessarily dependent on quality.  Even if the per lesson cost is high, cost-benefit analyses need to be done.  You can pay $50 an hour to learn something in 10 lessons, or pay $100 an hour to a good pro and learn it in half a lesson.  In my case, the coach I found could teach in one day what nearly all other coaches I went to tried to teach me for years.  Sure, I went through a bazillion before I found her, but the reason is because I asked all the wrong questions when choosing a coach.  I should've treated ballroom dancing as, "education": my problems would've been significantly less. When I'm choosing a college, if I use cost as the primary factor, chances are that I would be taking a massive gamble on the quality of education I will be getting. Of course, if the university has an insanely high reputation with a super low cost (there are ballroom coaches like that out there) then you hit the education jackpot.

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