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 on: July 07, 2015, 02:32:08 PM 
Started by pinkstuff - Last post by Some guy
Thats all very well but the women looking are the hard-core dancers, the guys, on the other hand are mostly  95%? looking for another kind of dancer the other 5% are very willing to have a senior trained woman dance and teach them so that once they feel competent they can grab a 25 yr old star and dance with her.  Do you have any idea what its like to put several years into building a dance partnership only to be dumped for eye candy?  Of course its just a mirror of real life relationships too - but at least there one has a much more diverse investment.  Now if the guys had to sign a contract that they would stay as long as they had recieved free training....  

I think you refuted your own point here when you said that the same exact thing could be said about personal relationships.  None of the three guys this one girl picked up ever dumped her for someone better looking or younger, and you know as well as I do, that wasn't hard to do in the dance world.

I think the difference in opinion lies on the focus. I think as long as you focus on what's in it for you, you'll never lose. If you focus on what the other can bring to your life, then, just like on the floor, everything starts to fall apart. I've personally brought up about 2 complete beginners who both quit, then another semi-experienced dancer who went on to do pro-am for the glamour and glitz of the pro-am world (there is such a thing), and others who have just quit or pursued other dance styles. The ones that would have stayed end up quitting when they realized there wasn't going to be any romantic interest from my side.  Plenty or reasons why it won't work out, but imagine the personal growth and the enjoyment of the journey it can come with if you keep taking in beginners and building them up.  Currently I'm building up two more.  Who knows where that'll go?!  However, I'm the one who gains from the relationship, even 'though I'm the one financing everything.  The amount I've grown is tremendous, and one day there will be that partner that sticks around, but until then, I'm just going to keep getting better.  

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 on: July 06, 2015, 11:23:34 PM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by elisedance

I my opinion a great teaching system of dance is a system that make people dance well. A system where they know a lot but can't dance is not really a dance system in my view.

DSV
Its the same in music - and maybe easier to see.  You can be a great performer having played since you were 5 but not have a clue how you did it.  Or you can study all the dimensions of playing an instrument so that you can write scholarly papers on the subject - but really be incompetent at making music that anyone would want to listen to.  interestingly, great teachers often fall somewhere in between: they have learned to dance at the top level but they also learned the enough of the theory to make sense of it regardless of the student's method of learning.

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 on: July 06, 2015, 08:52:36 PM 
Started by pinkstuff - Last post by elisedance
Many ladies in my neck of the woods are always complaining about a lack of dance partners.  They promise complete sponsorship as well.  I tell them to go into any beginner ballroom class where the girls to guys ratio is very favorable, from what I've seen, and snatch one of the men before they lose interest.  This is because by the 2nd month, that ratio drops to 90/10.  Their answer: "beginners!?!  What?!  We're high level dancers!".

If the problem is that there is a lack of men, then maybe they can look where there are plenty of men and do the work to build them up. I'm pointing them right to the source.  If all those women grabbed a beginner man and worked with them, chances are, there will be lots of men in the scene.  There's nothing to test your ability as a "high-level" dancer than training and dancing with a beginner.  When I was first picked for competition, it was because a high level dancer showed up to my beginners class, helped out with the class for a few weeks, picked me, and asked her coach to train me up. After we parted ways because she took a hiatus, she came back to the dance world and did the same thing: went into a beginners class, picked a guy, and built him up.  Then she did it a third time.  Basically, it seemed like whenever she wanted to, she could leave the scene and come back and find another serious competitor that gave everyone a run for their money.  Then she quit for good, BUT each time, within 6-months, she had podium or first-place finish.  Meanwhile, the same batch of ladies, much younger back then, were playing the same tune: "no high level guys to compete with!".  They used to always look at her in amazement and talk about how "lucky" she was to get a good partner whenever she felt like coming back to the dance world.  She wasn't lucky, she was smart, and looked where the men were, not where they weren't. Then put in the work.

Thats all very well but the women looking are the hard-core dancers, the guys, on the other hand are mostly  95%? looking for another kind of dancer the other 5% are very willing to have a senior trained woman dance and teach them so that once they feel competent they can grab a 25 yr old star and dance with her.  Do you have any idea what its like to put several years into building a dance partnership only to be dumped for eye candy?  Of course its just a mirror of real life relationships too - but at least there one has a much more diverse investment.  Now if the guys had to sign a contract that they would stay as long as they had recieved free training.... 

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 on: July 06, 2015, 04:05:00 PM 
Started by pinkstuff - Last post by Some guy
Many ladies in my neck of the woods are always complaining about a lack of dance partners.  They promise complete sponsorship as well.  I tell them to go into any beginner ballroom class where the girls to guys ratio is very favorable, from what I've seen, and snatch one of the men before they lose interest.  This is because by the 2nd month, that ratio drops to 90/10.  Their answer: "beginners!?!  What?!  We're high level dancers!".

If the problem is that there is a lack of men, then maybe they can look where there are plenty of men and do the work to build them up. I'm pointing them right to the source.  If all those women grabbed a beginner man and worked with them, chances are, there will be lots of men in the scene.  There's nothing to test your ability as a "high-level" dancer than training and dancing with a beginner.  When I was first picked for competition, it was because a high level dancer showed up to my beginners class, helped out with the class for a few weeks, picked me, and asked her coach to train me up. After we parted ways because she took a hiatus, she came back to the dance world and did the same thing: went into a beginners class, picked a guy, and built him up.  Then she did it a third time.  Basically, it seemed like whenever she wanted to, she could leave the scene and come back and find another serious competitor that gave everyone a run for their money.  Then she quit for good, BUT each time, within 6-months, she had podium or first-place finish.  Meanwhile, the same batch of ladies, much younger back then, were playing the same tune: "no high level guys to compete with!".  They used to always look at her in amazement and talk about how "lucky" she was to get a good partner whenever she felt like coming back to the dance world.  She wasn't lucky, she was smart, and looked where the men were, not where they weren't. Then put in the work.

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 on: July 06, 2015, 04:04:27 PM 
Started by pinkstuff - Last post by Some guy
Wow, I don't understand it either!  I think Dancing With the Stars has muddled the pool of ballroom dancers to such an extent that people don't want to really learn how to dance, they just want to feel like they are on the show. 

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 on: July 06, 2015, 03:03:24 PM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by Some guy
Wow, I wouldn't have been able to take one step if I had had to think of all those points.

So comforting to hear. 

I my opinion a great teaching system of dance is a system that make people dance well. A system where they know a lot but can't dance is not really a dance system in my view.

Very true.  My physics professor used to say, "how much physics must a 3-year old know, to execute so perfectly all the laws with such speed and mathematical precision that it would put the most powerful computers on earth to shame!".

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 on: July 06, 2015, 02:58:12 PM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by Some guy
I would go one step further by offering a quick tip on how to fund a master teacher.  I think it starts by debunking the pre-existing paradigm that real change takes months and years to happen.  Real change in ballroom dancing can be achieved in minutes, not hours or years.  I think one of the reasons people think it's hard to find a good coach is because they believe real change and improvement cannot happen in 30-minutes.  They all believe it takes years.  So they listen to one coach who conveniently tells them to practice some technique for a few years and eventually they'll get it.  Then they go to another coach that gives them the same time line. 

If I didn't see for myself that you can improve with every single lesson and be a in completely different place than the previous lesson, I wouldn't have believed it.

If your dancing doesn't drastically change and improve at each lesson, you've got the wrong coach for you.

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 on: July 06, 2015, 02:51:59 PM 
Started by phoenix13 - Last post by Some guy
So true!  They say we don't see thinks a they are, we only see things as we are.   Sad

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 on: June 30, 2015, 02:51:13 AM 
Started by pinkstuff - Last post by sandralw
Well.. here's an interesting turn of events... I'd love to hear opinions on...

I'm not allowed to dance (competitively speaking) for a while due to a foot injury.  My husband and I were planning to compete in Pro/Am, but now I'm looking for an Amateur lady for him to dance Am/Am events.  He is quite good and does both Ballroom & Latin (not all dances are created equal - unfortunately  Wink).

We have our own floor in our home and I am willing to train her and them as a couple and also have access to world level coaching. He has just turned 71 and stands 5'11"

What a fabulous opportunity you say?  Absolutely... and not one taker so far...

Ladies are always complaining about the lack of men partners, but when a better than perfect opportunity arises they all disappear.  I just do not understand it.  I would have KILLED for an Amateur partner back in the day...

Anyone want to weigh in?

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 on: June 30, 2015, 02:43:15 AM 
Started by elisedance - Last post by sandralw
When I was competing I used to specifically speak out coaching from couples who were having the same issues I was... the Lady being much smaller in height and stature than her Gentleman partner.  I always got brilliant information on how to appear to be larger and be "seen" from Helle Loft Jensen as she and Bo were just about the same relationship as I was with my partner.  I found that there were chorographic tricks that could come into play as well as to move in a very positive manner.  But, in the end it still comes down to good dancing.

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